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Old 07-17-2009   #1
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Well I've never started an off topic thread, but here goes, some interesting quotes. Regarding America: Can they all be wrong? A lot of threads complaining about America. And no solutions. Maybe we need to get back to the basics. Maybe we need to review history. Maybe we need to understand what life should be all about. Or were they all full of crap? DO we know better now? Is all that religion and "god stuff" for the birds? What fools these men must have been, or so some would think.


"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."
- Patrick Henry, Patriot 1776
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."

"It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the Bible. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of the Bible."
- Theodore Roosevelt - (1858-1919) 26th President of the United States
"I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning...."
"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district; all studied and appreciated as they merit; are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty."
- Ben Franklin
'The secret of my success? It is simple. It is found in the Bible', "In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths."
- George Washington Carver, 1939
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1871
"I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
- Thomas Jefferson (inscribed around the inside of the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington)
"The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained."
- George Washington, 1789
"It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness..."
"I am profitably engaged in reading the Bible. Take all of this Book upon reason that you can, and the balance by faith, and you will live and die a better man."
- Abraham Lincoln, 1863
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty." – Abraham Lincoln
"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."
- Calvin Coolidge, 1923
"We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come."
- Samuel Adams, 1776 (at the signing of the Declaration of Independence)
"I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go to the mountain. And I've looked over, and I've seen the promised land."
- Martin Luther King, 1968
"The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."
- George Mason, 1776
"Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
"Government should uphold--and not undermine--those institutions which are custodians of the very values upon which civilization is founded: religion, education and, above all, family."
- Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States
"All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship."
- Grover Cleveland
"The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."
- John F. Kennedy (1917-1963) 35th President of the United States
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."
John Quincy Adams - (1767-184 6th President of the United States
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them.
- Mark Twain

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Maybe we need to review history. Maybe we need to understand what life should be all about. Or were they all full of crap? DO we know better now? Is all that religion and "god stuff" for the birds? What fools these men must have been, or so some would think.
Wow, that's a lot of 'religious' quotes, but religion is a private matter that all those people practiced and used for support and expression. However, the founding fathers of America were athiests and one of the reasons America became 'great' was because of their incredible insight in forcing a strict separation of church and state. As the church and state separation is now shrinking in America, so is its 'greatness'. America needs to return to its roots and become the secular nation its founding fathers envisioned.
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However, the founding fathers of America were athiests
Atheists?

Poppycock!!


Listen practice whatever religion you want and pray however you want, but the ideals that come with a belief in God and a respect for human life are the cornerstones on which this nation was built and he essential bricks with which it must be repaired and rebuilt.
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one of the reasons America became 'great' was because of their incredible insight in forcing a strict separation of church and state.
Not sure that it's new idea in the US. My history is very rusty, so correct me if I'm wrong. I think the seeds of the separation of religion and state started during the Enlightenment period in Europe (circa 1500/1600), and really took effect during the Industrial Revolution era (1700 to present).
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I see the quotes as more about faith, guidance, and personal beliefs than about religion. It could be argued that religion proper has done an equal or greater amount of harm than good. The Bible, on the other hand, serves as a collection of stories with which we may identify. Take for example the story of the people of Israel in bondage to Egypt and their deliverance. Have I ever felt oppressed or enslaved to anyone or anything? Can my identification with that story give me hope for deliverance or even wisdom to pursue it? Great leaders are under a tremendous pressure that we can't fully appreciate. It doesn't surprise me that they turn to wisdom of the ages for support and guidance. Unfortunately bad religion has made the biblical collection of stories, as well as other religious texts, a tool to exercise power over and pursade others. I saw a news story yesterday about extreme Mulims advertising the glory of suicide bombing on children's televsion in Iran. If people are appropriately conversant about the timless stories they have the potential for growth and personal peace. IMHO an intimate relationship between religion and government can be like drinking and driving; it has the potential to go really bad. On the other hand I think any person or group of people, political or not, can benefit tremendously from ancient wisdom and would be handicapped in not doing so.
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I think the truest remarks about anyone or anyplace come from those not personally involved. And in the US thats truer then anyplace. Were so busy squabbling over party lines (seriously, 99% of our arguments are Repub/Dem, Conserv/Lib based). Those outside can see it all from a more unbiased opinion.

Its like looking at a photo you love and thinking its flawless, but someone else looks at it and points out 10 different things wrong.

Just look at the chrysler/fiat thread. Everyone is blaming everyone else, but no one can offer a solution. And if they did, they would be blasted for their opinion.
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"Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
"Government should uphold--and not undermine--those institutions which are custodians of the very values upon which civilization is founded: religion, education and, above all, family."
- Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States

Reposted because this sums it up best. Unfortunately it's looking more like a premonition of our "going under" than ideals that are being upheld. And as one talk show host has coined the "government -media complex" is waging war against these three things. Religion, family, and education. And that will likely be the cause of our fall. Unless..........

And despite all the bible stories, the 2 most important commandments: Love God and Love thy neighbor are used more frequently as punchlines rather than goals. So while I haven't given up hope, it's looking bleak, isn't it?



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A lot of threads complaining about America. And no solutions. Maybe we need to get back to the basics. Maybe we need to review history. Maybe we need to understand what life should be all about.
That sounds like a great idea. How about the basic stuff like freedom. Let me add a quote from someone not from America.

"Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently."
Rosa Luxemburg

This would make the world a better place if it all those people preaching about Good, the Bible and about the rights they feel entitled to should would consider this.

And then there's another advice, which might make the USA a better place.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
William Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene II


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Wow, that's a lot of 'religious' quotes, but religion is a private matter that all those people practiced and used for support and expression. However, the founding fathers of America were athiests and one of the reasons America became 'great' was because of their incredible insight in forcing a strict separation of church and state. As the church and state separation is now shrinking in America, so is its 'greatness'. America needs to return to its roots and become the secular nation its founding fathers envisioned.
Are you joking? The founders were not atheists by any stretch of the imagination. Where on earth did you get such a rediculous notion like that.

You've just seen an incredible amount of quotes of the founders, we have paperwork such as the Federalist Papers and the works of the founders and writings leading up to the Constitution and you can actually make such an absurd statement that the founders were atheists?

I'd love to see some sort of history supporting that absurd statement.

Separation of Church and State merely meant that the government would not establish one religion as the National religion of the Nation... not that we would be absent of religion.

Our education system must be worse than even I anticipated.... and I am surprised people can even read.
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I think the truest remarks about anyone or anyplace come from those not personally involved. And in the US thats truer then anyplace. Were so busy squabbling over party lines (seriously, 99% of our arguments are Repub/Dem, Conserv/Lib based). Those outside can see it all from a more unbiased opinion.

Its like looking at a photo you love and thinking its flawless, but someone else looks at it and points out 10 different things wrong.

Just look at the chrysler/fiat thread. Everyone is blaming everyone else, but no one can offer a solution. And if they did, they would be blasted for their opinion.
The solution was simple... let them fail. They'd go bankrupt, reorganize or sell off pieces and someone else would pick up and run with it or someone would find a better way. That's what capitalism is all about. In fact, they'd have failed before the government stole 50 billion of our tax money (borrowed by the way) and hosed us.

Imagine if the government had tried to save buggy manufacturers when the automobile began to emerge... eventually all the manufacturers of products supporting that industry went by the wayside as have many others and they've been replaced by newer technologies, better systems or better products.

We are where we are because government continues to try to solve all the problems we face. That's not their job. They need to get out of the way because more often than not, government creates the problems just as they did with the mortgage industry by leaning on banks to ease credit standards and then finding a way for them to sell them on the market in packaged bundles.

Even recently good old Barney Frank suggested we relax mortgage standards on condos ... gee... you think that's what started this mess? But get Barney to admit it? No, its easier to blame someone else.


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