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Old 02-02-2018   #21
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Related to this topic, I'm thinking about going back to collage and take an introductory course about History. Need to establish a scientific base before I build up on the science of History.
Would that be anthropology, archaeology, or some other branch of science tealing with history and historical events and societies? Amd to what extent are you going to specialize in a particular location, society, and period?
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Just an introductory class, without credits (as a listener). You know, History 101.
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Personal opinion here, as one who loves and has studied human history for over 40 years, I think you will find the whole subject much more interesting if you narrow it down to a particular interest. My main interest is WW II history.

I have read countless books, articles etc about WWII and have been blessedhro have lived in Germany for 3 years with a family who's patriarch was a Wehrmacht NCO during the war. He and his wife related much about pre-war and WWII Germany. I even have some German regalia of the era as the father did not want his son to have it. I have had the chance to interview many others that were directly affected by the war and even managed to get some of them to document their stories for posterity.

I still read about other periods, but long ago found that you can not really study the totality of human history. It is far to vast and far to complicated.
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Very interesting, G99.

For me it's a little broader than a single event. More like a period. A millennia or two. Specifically, Mesopotamia. The earliest civilizations in human history.

Believe it or not, we owe them so much today, more than 5 thousands years later. Case in point, the 7 days a week, 4 weeks a month...etc is all Sumerian.
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So much mis-information, and pseudo-information in the previous comments I am not going to attempt to address them. What I will do is suggest that anyone truly interested in ancient human history contact the nearest college or university and see about meeting up with one of the grad students or at least a mentor in anthropology, and archeology. That will also put you on to real authoritative sources that have been peer reviewed.
This is not slamming you guys it is simply suggesting a way to acquire useful upto date science based information as opposed to inane drivel for the net. ....and yes I do have some credits in anthro and archeology although my major was Geology.
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Very interesting, G99.

For me it's a little broader than a single event. More like a period. A millennia or two. Specifically, Mesopotamia. The earliest civilizations in human history.

Believe it or not, we owe them so much today, more than 5 thousands years later. Case in point, the 7 days a week, 4 weeks a month...etc is all Sumerian.
Mesopotamia was an important civilization, however there is some debate over it being the first.

We need to remember Göbekli Tepe (10,000 - 8,000 BC), Çatalhöyük (7500 - 5600 BC) and Mehrgarh (7000- 2600 BC) civilizations. All predate Mesopotamia, but with their languages and religions being lost to us as well as the ravages of time to their locations there is much less known about them.

Mesopotamia was indeed great with many contributions to the modern world and it was the first to be well documented.
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Didereaux, if you are referring to something I mentioned, then allow me to say that my sources are historians/researchers/specialists in the that field. Not only that, but I need multiple sources to confirm a piece of historical information, minimum 3 sources; typically 5 or more.

Case in point, there is no archaeological proof that Moses ever existed (ducking under the table).
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G99, you said it yourself "the ravages of time to their locations there is much less known about them".

1) There has to be an archaeological evidence to prove of something's existence. Moses (and all characters in the Old Testament) is an example. 2) Just because a community existed in a location doesn't make it a civilization. For example, Jericho is the oldest city in the world, yet it's not a civilization.
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G99, you said it yourself "the ravages of time to their locations there is much less known about them".

1) There has to be an archaeological evidence to prove of something's existence. Moses (and all characters in the Old Testament) is an example. 2) Just because a community existed in a location doesn't make it a civilization. For example, Jericho is the oldest city in the world, yet it's not a civilization.
This is where we will have to agree to disagree. The act of becoming a sustainable community is by definition the development of civilization.

Some civilizations over time cease to exist and some evolve into greater things. Göbekli Tepe, and Çatalhöyük were both in what is now Turkey near to Mesopatamia while Mehrgarh was in what is now Pakistan. We know not what influences these civilizations may have had on each other and upon those that followed.

All three are still in current digs with much yet to be found and much yet to be learned.

Keep in mind that Damascus is considered by many to be the oldest still populated city in the world, predating Jericho by almost 1,000 years. There are sites of cities that predate Damascus, but they have long been abandoned. What other cities and civilizations were there that have been lost and yet to be discovered? Man will probably never know.

The area where Jericho is located is probably the oldest area with some sort of continuous human existence, but the city itself as not as old. Between 8350 and 7350 BCE, the village of Jericho evolved into a town that was home to perhaps 3,000 farmers.
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This is where we will have to agree to disagree. The act of becoming a sustainable community is by definition the development of civilization.
You said it yourself, G99. We are not referring to the development of a civilization, but rather an actual civilization.

And, no, a sustainable community does not make a civilization. Think of a community that lives around an oasis in a desert, and they existed there for a century or two. Does that make them a civilization?

Here is a definition of civilization from dictionary.com "an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached."


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