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Old 06-30-2012   #21
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If you know the risks, you can do anything you want

In my opinion, this applies to what you inhale into your lungs, and I make no judgments on you personally. If you want to huff paint and understand the risks, go for it. It's a risk to yourself, your gear, and your image. And I fully support your choices in that. However, people might question your judgement based on this and I support their choice to associate with you personally or professionally. Some people will find it a bonus, as they won't feel uncomfortable smoking, too.

Taking a break every couple hours isn't much of an inconvenience. If my proctologist was in the process of shoving a large tube up my ass and suddenly decided he needed a smoke, there would be hell to pay. Just don't inconvenience people, and it shouldn't be an issue.

Now you know the risks to the electronics, but perhaps you don't realize the damages. If you have to replace your equipment in 3 years instead of 5 due to failure, and find it very difficult to sell the equipment that still works, would that bother you? If you have to do a wet clean on your sensor and lenses every 6 months instead of every 2 years, would that be annoying? Those are the risks. The failure rate on electronics definitely goes up around smokers. I've been in the computer industry for a long time, and have seen it happen in addition to reading statistics.
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I'll be glad when the day comes that people respond with such fervor about a currently accepted practice, public texting especially when driving or walking along a crowded sidewalk.

I find a touch of humor in how public opinion shifts in the span of a couple of generations. My granddad fought in WWII and his rations came complete with a couple of Chesterfields. When I turned legal drinking age it was not unlawful to drink and drive, just to be drunk while driving. On my birthday I stopped off at a package store, bought a big ol can of beer and swigged it all the way home. I remember when department stores had ash cans at the end of isles and people would be smoking while shopping. When I was 10 my mom was in the hospital for an operation. The surgeon stopped by her room and bummed a smoke from her about an hour before the procedure, smoked right in her room (opened the window, of course).

Completely off the subject, but equally related was a story on my local news last night about an Oklahoma statute which makes it a misdemeanor to swear in public, in the presence of a woman or a child under 10 years of age. Also against the law were specific swears, like taking God's name in vain or Jesus Christ. A certain government housing assistance office posted a notice that such utterances were violations of state law and would not be tolerated. A lawyer was interviewed, he said prosecutions for violating these laws would never stand up in court because they violated the 1st amendment right of free speech. He said we had advanced over 100 years since those laws were passed.

In my own personal narrow minded way I find it laughable that people go up in arms about my having a cigarette but it's quite fine to spew all manner of vulgarity and profanity in a public place. Advanced, did we?
I totally agree with you Songman45!

@stef@apl: Now it is not photography talk but I need to say this. Smoking is addiction and it is very difficult for non smokers to understand its impact. In my case, I was young and wanted to show off and started smoking and now I regret and it is really difficult for me to quit as I tried a couple of times. I wish from the public to take it little easy on smokers. I am sure deep inside everysmoker a will to quit but it is not easy. So I don't think it is wise to be mean to smokers by distorting their image or considering a smoker a bad person just because they smoke!
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I am sorry that I wont be able to reply to each and every comment. But wow! what happened guys? I am not advertising for smoking nor saying smoking is good for you and your kids health. I started my post with "Unfortunately I am a smoker" I know it is wrong but I still need to smoke! So I was asking other smoking photographers in a photography forum what do they do in long sessions.
Understood. I don't know your age, but some of the dangers of smoking have been widely known for at least fifty years now. More recently, we have found out that smoke can also harm not just the smoker but those who share space with the smoker as well. For these reasons, smoking has become less socially acceptable with time and that trend is likely to continue. I wouldn't be all that surprised if smoking were eventually made altogether unlawful or at least nearly universally considered to be bad manners, much as spitting in public is today. In the past, spitting in public was considered to be perfectly acceptable, until it became evident that the practice promoted the spread of tuberculosis.

Of course, once you know that your client is a smoker and doesn't mind your lighting up, you can take your breaks together. Until then, smoking in front of clients, prospective clients, and models is unwise. That aside, smoking also degrades your equipment and materials over time. That is reason enough not to smoke or tolerate others smoking in the studio, except where the shoot demands that the models smoke. Even the smokers here recognize these limitations on the practice of smoking.

By the way, I don't smoke.
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I am sorry that I wont be able to reply to each and every comment. But wow! what happened guys?

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Finally, I want to applogize to sensitive non smokers if this question freaked you out.
Nobody freaked out. Well, maybe chitobeach got a little excited

But some topics are hot ones, and people get passionate about them. I think you picked one. Don't take it so personally.

Speaking of hot topics, I think I'll go start a thread about raw vs jpeg...
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lol, sis.

I like nicotine myself, but I don't like most of the methods of administering it. An occasional stinky cigar or pipe is quite enjoyable and sometimes even some chew. I can't stand cigarettes or anything actually inhaled, including all 420 things. No idea when the last time I smoked anything, though... it's been months, thus I consider myself a non-smoker.

I've never had any addictions except maybe photography (notice I'm still awake processing images and reading photography boards), so I guess I don't understand smoking, even though I partake on rare occasions.
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I find it laughable that people would be so concerned about getting a smoky film on their sensors and less concerned about getting that same smoky film in their lungs, not to mention the chronic lung diseases and cancer that often follow. I bet if you were to look in the eyes of your children, wife or family, and say i dont care enough about you to stop smoking you might more clearly realize what you are doing, but as it is, people continue to think that bad stuff only happens to others.

Not to mention the price.
5 bucks a pack, pack a day, is $1,825 a year.
Thats a nice pro lens a year and you're throwing it all away to make yourself sick. Yes, people drink, overeat, text while they drive, all that stuff, but to use that to justify smoking is crazy.

Samerr, you don't "need to smoke" you just have to not want to quit.
The human mind can do anything it wants to. Give it a shot. Yor lungs and softboxes and sensors will thank you.
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I am sorry that I wont be able to reply to each and every comment. But wow! what happened guys? I am not advertising for smoking nor saying smoking is good for you and your kids health. I started my post with "Unfortunately I am a smoker" I know it is wrong but I still need to smoke! So I was asking other smoking photographers in a photography forum what do they do in long sessions.

Afterall, what I do is take a cigaret break when the model is changing or fixing makep. Sometimes it happens that the model is a smoker we take it together but between shots. I wont stop the flow for a ciggy. The break will be outdoors or in another room. Personally, although I am a smoker I don't smoke in my bedroom nor indoors with nonsmokers.

Regarding the electronics damage,if someone smokes a cigaret or two indoors with central aircondidtioning on will it have all those damages as in a smoking bar? because sometimes I change the lenses while smoking.

Finally, I want to applogize to sensitive non smokers if this question freaked you out.
I dont think you freaked anyone out. I am just very protective of my gear and cant see why anyone would intentionally subject their equipment to abuse. The smoke has an accumulative effect on your gear just as it does to you. Remember that unless you clean your gear after smoking around it they will start to smell like a stale ashtray to those who do not smoke.


AC filters do little if any to cigarette smoke and the AC units do not run 100% of the time. The smoke is spread through out the entire system. The only AC filtration systems available to effect cigarette smoke are the electronic type.

As a former remodeling contractor Ive had to clean the ductwork in houses where cigarette smoking was allowed and yes it builds up in the ducts just as it does in your lungs.

From a non smokers view its not the smoking that is so bad but the smell of the clothes afterwards. Frankly smokers stink like an ashtray after every cigarette for quite some time, and if you slip on the same coat to go smoke in outside all the time that coat is really bad.


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Understood. I don't know your age, but some of the dangers of smoking have been widely known for at least fifty years now. More recently, we have found out that smoke can also harm not just the smoker but those who share space with the smoker as well. For these reasons, smoking has become less socially acceptable with time and that trend is likely to continue. I wouldn't be all that surprised if smoking were eventually made altogether unlawful or at least nearly universally considered to be bad manners, much as spitting in public is today. In the past, spitting in public was considered to be perfectly acceptable, until it became evident that the practice promoted the spread of tuberculosis.

Of course, once you know that your client is a smoker and doesn't mind your lighting up, you can take your breaks together. Until then, smoking in front of clients, prospective clients, and models is unwise. That aside, smoking also degrades your equipment and materials over time. That is reason enough not to smoke or tolerate others smoking in the studio, except where the shoot demands that the models smoke. Even the smokers here recognize these limitations on the practice of smoking.

By the way, I don't smoke.
Do you have the links to the independent studies done that have concluded 2nd hand smoke can damage other persons within a certain distance or electronics? Testable conclusions is what I'm looking for from sources that were not funded by anti-or-pro smoking entities or organizations. I.E. I wouldn't put much faith in a study funded by AT&T that it was safe to text and drive at the same time.

I use to smoke myself @ 3 packs a day. The local authorities put more taxes on then so I quit. Funny thing is they put those taxes on them to pay for other things then they were "shocked" when revenue went down because people were quitting because of the tax! Which that was their reasoning for adding the tax in the first place (at least that's what they said).
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Isn't it funny how "politically correct" soon becomes the laws of the land.

Hey, Ed, we beat you out, down here it is against the law to smoke in the parks. Basically, any government owned property indoors or out. And this is the state that 80% of its economy used to be generated by tobacco. And to make it even funnier, most of the air polution here is caused by coal fired power plants that have been grandfathered in so they do not have to meet the current legal standards.

But those kinds of things do not amaze me, I am old enough to remember when they made all the pleasure boats in Michigan put holding tanks on their toilets, while still allowing cities to dump raw sewage into the great lakes.

They now claim that there is a gene that makes people very susceptible to addiction. If you have that gene, you need to addict yourself to something harmless.

But, to answer the OP's question: if it is your studio and your clients don't object, it's your life.
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I have a personal story about lung cancer but will leave it at that. Each person has to decide for themselves if it is time to quit or not. Rarely does the nagging or complaining of strangers have much effect on that decision.

If you need to take smoke breaks after 3 or 4 hours it is perfectly acceptable to do that as long as you go outside or somewhere the smoke won't bother the person you are shooting with.
I routinely take breaks after about 2 hours to let everyone stretch, go to the bathroom and get something to drink. If you use your breaks for other reasons it wouldn't be a big deal to me.

I don't think I would tell clients the break is for a smoke but only because smoking has become very un-PC. Today it would probably be the equivalent of announcing you needed to take a break to look at some online porn.

With all that said, please stop smoking as soon as you can. Not for me but for you.


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