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thcofer 06-18-2013 11:30 AM

Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I'd like to know what folks that are using this think of it so far.
I'm still using PS4 and haven't decided if I want to move to this or not.
Do plug-ins like Topaz work with it? Would I have to re-load all my plug-ins to get them to work? Do you think the monthly bill is worth the cost? I'm not looking for heated hateful debate here. I just want to know what folks that are actually using it think of it compared to earlier PS versions. Also, once you move to it, can you go back to an earlier version like mine without having to re-load it??

I'd appreciate hearing advantages vs. disadvantages from such folks.

Thanks

zemlin 06-18-2013 11:36 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
There is nothing 'cloudy' about the software. It downloads and installs just like the old days, except you don't get a disc or a serial number. All the plugins and actions are local just as you have it now. There is an updater program that keeps in touch with the mothership for updates and, I assume, validation of the license subscription.

I paid for a year (one month at a time) because I got in for cheap and I thought having access to all the other pieces of the creative suite might be nice. So far, I haven't gone beyond PS and LR ... I've taken advantage of the Acrobat license a couple of times. I've loaded up a couple other programs, but didn't get far and ended up back in my old toolbox.

Unless something changes with their packaging, I probably won't renew when my year is up. I'll go back to my CS5 and Corel Aftershot ... as I've said before, I'm not wowed by LR over Aftershot.

thcofer 06-18-2013 11:56 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zemlin (Post 1898350)
There is nothing 'cloudy' about the software. It downloads and installs just like the old days, except you don't get a disc or a serial number. All the plugins and actions are local just as you have it now. There is an updater program that keeps in touch with the mothership for updates and, I assume, validation of the license subscription.

I paid for a year (one month at a time) because I got in for cheap and I thought having access to all the other pieces of the creative suite might be nice. So far, I haven't gone beyond PS and LR ... I've taken advantage of the Acrobat license a couple of times. I've loaded up a couple other programs, but didn't get far and ended up back in my old toolbox.

Unless something changes with their packaging, I probably won't renew when my year is up. I'll go back to my CS5 and Corel Aftershot ... as I've said before, I'm not wowed by LR over Aftershot.

Thanks.
My CS4 was a digital download too.

Do you have to re-load the plug-ins again? I got Topaz and some other plug-ins from online. Many have "new and improved" plug-ins since doing so. Some downloaded as a program that you installed and some downloaded directly to PS. Part of my concern is that to get them to work with CC I may have to purchase the current version of some of the plug-ins, which would be additional cost.

There are features that have come out since CS4 that I think would be nice to have but I can't afford to purchase the latest CS. I thought going to CC might be a good alternative, but not if it meant that I had to re-purchase most of my plug-ins too.

Are you able to drop back to your CS5 on the same computer as you have the CC loaded on without having to re-load?

zemlin 06-18-2013 11:59 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
My CS5 is still installed and works fine, and I found it odd that when the CC updated to LR5, it left my LR4 install (from the CC) installed. Plugs need to be installed into CS6 ... I don't know the ins and outs of PS well enough to know what alternative plugin install methods there may be. Can you just point CS6 to your CS4 plugin directory?

thcofer 06-18-2013 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zemlin (Post 1898365)
My CS5 is still installed and works fine, and I found it odd that when the CC updated to LR5, it left my LR4 install (from the CC) installed. Plugs need to be installed into CS6 ... I don't know the ins and outs of PS well enough to know what alternative plugin install methods there may be. Can you just point CS6 to your CS4 plugin directory?

My biggest concerns about going to CC are...

1. Being able to go back to using CS4 and it's plug-ins if I needed or wanted to without having to re-install it. Say there is a plug-in in my CS4 that I want to use that I would have to purchase a new version of to use in CC for example. I'd want to able to drop back to CS4 to do so. (What can I say, I'm a poor man with an expensive habit :) )

2. Being able to use my plug-ins with CC that I have already purchased and am currently using with CS4. The hassles that may be involved to do so. If I had to re-install each of them, I would have to find out where I put the download in some cases. In other cases, it was a direct download that loaded directly to PS4. If I had to get them again to put them in CC, I suspect I'd have to purchase the latest version of them. Again, that means more money.

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I've been stumbling along without LR or anything of the sort (gasp!) The cost of PS4 alone hurt like heck. Along with some of the features that came along with CS5 and CS6 that I'm attracted to and assume are in the CC version, I assume LR is available there too??

For me, I can handle a few bucks a month. That's what is tempting me toward going with the CC.

Freezframe_2 06-18-2013 03:53 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I'm currently using CS5 and I don't plan on going to the cloud do to security issues. Just to many vulnerable avenues. There is enough back-doors within new software that we have purchased which bring forth questions about spreading it over the cloud. There is some great ideas within the cloud concept but, it is still young which leaves me leery with the amount of traffic expected. I will be an observer for the first few years especially with IPV6 being implemented by ISP's with greater regularity. No........ I don't believe IPV6 is less secure just more security and routing issues for internet traffic combined. Will everyone be on the same page or will there be some lagging behind? Everything new is an experiment and in this case I've chosen not to be the lab rat.

Brady[popcorn]

thcofer 06-18-2013 03:58 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freezframe_2 (Post 1898531)
I'm currently using CS5 and I don't plan on going to the cloud do to security issues. Just to many vulnerable avenues. There is enough back-doors within new software that we have purchased which bring forth questions about spreading it over the cloud. There is some great ideas within the cloud concept but, it is still young which leaves me leery with the amount of traffic expected. I will be an observer for the first few years especially with IPV6 being implemented by ISP's with greater regularity. No........ I don't believe IPV6 is less secure just more security and routing issues for internet traffic combined. Will everyone be on the same page or will there be some lagging behind? Everything new is an experiment and in this case I've chosen not to be the lab rat.

Brady[popcorn]

I can understand that. On the other hand, they have come out with some features since PS4 that I'd like to have. Buying CS5 or 6 in not a option financially. Another thought is that it's priced nice now. I suspect it may go up for those joining later.

thcofer 06-22-2013 08:37 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Follow up:

Yesterday I decided to break down and try Photoshop Creative Cloud.

Wow! I'm loving it. Prior to that, my most current version was CS-4. I knew there were some interesting features that have come out since then, but I didn't realize just how much I was going to love them. :)

My biggest concerns was loosing my plug-ins and loosing CS-4 because I think it was a direct download from Adobe and I might not be able to get it back.

I didn't need to worry.
Almost all of my plug-ins worked with a simple cut and paste, at least, all the important ones did.
CS-4 is still alive and well in my computer in the event that I should need one of the plug-ins that will not work in CC. A bonus was that it imported my personalized sittings, brushes, and other goodies.

So:
I was reluctant to purchase new software that required a monthly fee or payment. In reality, it's working out well for someone like me who can not afford the $$ to purchase CS-6 in one lump sum.

I love the new features that come in the New version.

The upgrading and transfer was fairly painless.

At least for the next year, the $10 per month is a price that is easily affordable. If they don't get crazy about jacking the price up after that, I'll stick with it.

My evaluation so far would be:

2 thumbs up!
A 12 out of a 10!
Two High Fives!
A vigorous Chest bump!
A very loud, "Woo Hoo!"
...
Ok, many may not agree and I know a lot of folks are unhappy with the whole Creative Cloud thing. I was very resistant myself. We don't always adapt well to change, but sometimes change really is a good thing and I now believe that this is one of those times.

Thanks for giving me input on the matter folks, greatly appreciated.

swampler 06-22-2013 10:04 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I can see where it might make sense for someone who uses several of the apps, but for me with LR and PS Elements, a year of CC is nearly the cost of both of these software packages ($79 for LR upgrade and $64 for PSE) and I can use them forever.

mistermonday 06-22-2013 10:32 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Tom, going from CS4 to CS6/CC you woulkd see a major boost in features, capability, and speed if you have a 64 bit PC. You will be in great shape for the next 12 months but be aware the $10/mo price is introductory and after 12 mos the regular price is $20/mo.
Enjoy all the new features.
Cheers, Murray

thcofer 06-22-2013 10:46 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swampler (Post 1901115)
I can see where it might make sense for someone who uses several of the apps, but for me with LR and PS Elements, a year of CC is nearly the cost of both of these software packages ($79 for LR upgrade and $64 for PSE) and I can use them forever.

Oh, I'm not saying it is the right choice for everyone. It was the right choice for me though. The additional features it provides made it well worth it in my case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermonday (Post 1901128)
Tom, going from CS4 to CS6/CC you woulkd see a major boost in features, capability, and speed if you have a 64 bit PC. You will be in great shape for the next 12 months but be aware the $10/mo price is introductory and after 12 mos the regular price is $20/mo.
Enjoy all the new features.
Cheers, Murray

It was more like a monster boost in features Murray! ;D

I did read the fine print and realize that it will go up to $20. As long as it don't climb much from that, I'll still be good. :-)

Freezframe_2 06-22-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Just got to love how the marketers dangle these sweets in your face for only 10$ a month for the first year. Just think if they were to think more outside the box and offer it for 10$ without any time restrictions.(:eek:!) Wow!..... hold on........ someone pinch me..... this is the reality of the game! Not going to happen! Just think how many they will loose after the first year is up, and how many more would jump on board with making it even sweeter.

As you can probably guess marketers aren't my favorite people :mad:!

Hope you enjoy!

BC [popcorn]

swampler 06-22-2013 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thcofer (Post 1901141)
Oh, I'm not saying it is the right choice for everyone. It was the right choice for me though. The additional features it provides made it well worth it in my case.

Hey, I wasn't trying to contradict it being right for you, just throwing in a different perspective. Sounds like you'll get a lot of use out of it. Enjoy.

thcofer 06-22-2013 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Freezframe_2 (Post 1901231)
Just got to love how the marketers dangle these sweets in your face for only 10$ a month for the first year. Just think if they were to think more outside the box and offer it for 10$ without any time restrictions.(:eek:!) Wow!..... hold on........ someone pinch me..... this is the reality of the game! Not going to happen! Just think how many they will loose after the first year is up, and how many more would jump on board with making it even sweeter.

As you can probably guess marketers aren't my favorite people :mad:!

Hope you enjoy!

BC [popcorn]

I understand how you feel about 'em. I'm not a big fan of everything going to subscriptions (Books, Movies, Apps...). Their business is ultimately about the $$$.

I am pleasantly surprised at how much I'm liking PS CC though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampler (Post 1901259)
Hey, I wasn't trying to contradict it being right for you, just throwing in a different perspective. Sounds like you'll get a lot of use out of it. Enjoy.

No worries.:-)
I read it as you intended it.

Freezframe_2 06-22-2013 06:25 PM

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I wasn't trying to insinuate anything as well! Just adding some more points to an already interesting post. Lets face it Adobe has made an already great hobby that much more fun with adding the ability to manipulate our photos. It adds creativity with thought provoking tools of all types.Who cares where or how you go about doing it as long as you are doing it! "It" being testing, learning, applying or what ever you chose to add to your creation.

Photoshop plan and simply is an extension of what you can and want to do.

Brady[popcorn]

Mike_PEAT 06-22-2013 06:33 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I refuse to rent software for the rest of my life!

I'm only using Photoshop because I'm forced to use a Mac, but I'll probably load Windows onto the Mac and go back to using the superior Corel PhotoPaint!

Park 06-30-2013 04:32 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I was using CS4 also. I downloaded CS6 then I had both on my hard drive. My plug-in worked with 6 without me doing anything.

sjprg 06-30-2013 06:58 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I'm now on CC for the updates with my cloud turned OFF. You don't have to use the cloud. I can live with $10 a month and Adobe is reconsidering the whole arrangement. If you have CS4 the update works and all of my plugins work. The difference from CS4 or 5 is quite impressive. LR5 is nice IF you don't do landscapes, but their "content aware brush is a disaster. Not at all like the one in PS which is a joy to use.

x372sailor 06-30-2013 07:36 PM

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Tom, I think you made the right choice in view of your circumstances. In my case, I upgraded to CS6 when it was made available and to LR4. For me to join CC seems like I would be paying for CS6 all over again so I have chosen to sit on the sidelines. The half price fee for the PS-CC would still cost me $120 for the first year and $240 next year. Still seems like Adobe is out to gouge its photographer clients but perhaps not so much for those not already upgraded to CS6. You have avoided a couple of upgrade fees by going directly from CS4 to CC and you would be paying the same amount that I would have to pay. Go figure!

thcofer 06-30-2013 07:59 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_PEAT (Post 1901384)
I refuse to rent software for the rest of my life!

I'm only using Photoshop because I'm forced to use a Mac, but I'll probably load Windows onto the Mac and go back to using the superior Corel PhotoPaint!

I'm not a big Apple fan either, but I spent far too much time learning Photoshop to change now. ;D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Park (Post 1906134)
I was using CS4 also. I downloaded CS6 then I had both on my hard drive. My plug-in worked with 6 without me doing anything.

So far, most of my plug-ins are working fine with CC too. :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjprg (Post 1906218)
I'm now on CC for the updates with my cloud turned OFF. You don't have to use the cloud. I can live with $10 a month and Adobe is reconsidering the whole arrangement. If you have CS4 the update works and all of my plugins work. The difference from CS4 or 5 is quite impressive. LR5 is nice IF you don't do landscapes, but their "content aware brush is a disaster. Not at all like the one in PS which is a joy to use.

What advantages are there to having the cloud turned off?
How do you turn it off?

I know I should get around to buying Lightroom too, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Too many other things have been calling for my money. :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by x372sailor (Post 1906235)
Tom, I think you made the right choice in view of your circumstances. In my case, I upgraded to CS6 when it was made available and to LR4. For me to join CC seems like I would be paying for CS6 all over again so I have chosen to sit on the sidelines. The half price fee for the PS-CC would still cost me $120 for the first year and $240 next year. Still seems like Adobe is out to gouge its photographer clients but perhaps not so much for those not already upgraded to CS6. You have avoided a couple of upgrade fees by going directly from CS4 to CC and you would be paying the same amount that I would have to pay. Go figure!

I can see your point too. It may be a good while before there are enough changes to CC before it would be a wise upgrade for you.

I think they felt they had to use a bigger carrot to lure us folks that are using older versions of CS in. :-)

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So far, I'm really happy with my decision to upgrade to the CC version from my old CS4.

I like a lot of the new features that it has. Getting the hang of the differences in ACR, Bridge, and PS CC is taking a bit to get used to though. A lot of things are done differently!

drspears 06-30-2013 08:02 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
It's my understanding that if you sign up for the cloud and something happens you can't continue, you cannot access you images as they are stored on the cloud

thcofer 06-30-2013 09:12 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drspears (Post 1906258)
It's my understanding that if you sign up for the cloud and something happens you can't continue, you cannot access you images as they are stored on the cloud

I don't know about that one way or the other. I haven't tried to store them on the cloud yet.

I store my photos locally on my own computer. I have found that I was able to open photos that I edited with PS CC in my PS CS4 and edit them further. So... If I should decide to drop PS CC in the future, I think I would still have them and still be able to work with them in PS CS4. :-)

raghunath 06-30-2013 11:43 PM

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Currently using CS 6. I think I need a great deal more time to really master it, especially when one can upgrade the ACR plug-in to 8.1 for free. The new ACR is awesome and will keep me exploring all its capabilities for a while longer. So, no Cloud envy!

joekolero 07-01-2013 01:10 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I'm just answering your question without checking the responses because I've already gone through all the threads that started when the CC was announced. Bottom line seems to be that it's good for professionals; neutral to bad for hobbyists.

People don't like change, so a lot of "end of world" hyperbole and "new coke" references. Most of the gripes are based on bad information. Adobe could have done a better marketing job of educating it's customer base.

My experience has been positive. I use Lightroom, Photoshop, Dreamweaver and to a lesser extent, Audition, Premiere and Illustrator. But the cloud has got me to expand and experiment with the usefulness of other programs such as Edge. All in all, I like it.

AceCo55 07-01-2013 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drspears (Post 1906258)
It's my understanding that if you sign up for the cloud and something happens you can't continue, you cannot access you images as they are stored on the cloud

Adobe couln't have screwed up the name of their new venture any better if it had tried.
The program is stored and operates from your hard drive.
All the files you create are stored on your hard drive (UNLESS you choose to store files on Adobe's servers ... the majority of people will not do this).
If the internet goes "down", you can still use your program because it is on YOUR hard drive and you can still edit existing files ... because they are on YOUR hard drive.
The only "CLOUD" part of CC is that your computer needs to connected to the internet to verify your Adobe product has been paid for the next billing cycle ... and to save/store files to Adobe's server IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

mistermonday 07-01-2013 01:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AceCo55 (Post 1906427)
Adobe couln't have screwed up the name of their new venture any better if it had tried.
The program is stored and operates from your hard drive.
All the files you create are stored on your hard drive (UNLESS you choose to store files on Adobe's servers ... the majority of people will not do this).
If the internet goes "down", you can still use your program because it is on YOUR hard drive and you can still edit existing files ... because they are on YOUR hard drive.
The only "CLOUD" part of CC is that your computer needs to connected to the internet to verify your Adobe product has been paid for the next billing cycle ... and to save/store files to Adobe's server IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

Well stated. A big problem with Adobe's new "subscription only" model occurs when you discontinue your subscription. You walk away without a functioning version of PS. You may have kept your previously purchased version of CS5 or CS6 but if you have saved files with new CC layer types or file formats which are not compatible with the older versions, you potentially have a major problem on your hands. The problem with Adobe's new model is that there is no graceful disengagement, no buyout. If you want off the crack train, you are thrown off cold turkey.
Cheers, Murray

thcofer 07-05-2013 11:50 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I'm trying real hard to get used to and like ACR 8.1.
I'm finding it very difficult to get the adjustments to something that I like.
I guess the biggest problem is that I used version 5.7 for so long that I knew exactly what to do and the newer version is completely different in it's adjustments. Other than that, I've been very happy with going to PS CC so far.

poloman 07-26-2013 09:24 PM

I have cc and really like it. There are a lot of non- trivial niceties in the new software. Very happy I did it.

Damsel 08-20-2013 08:41 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Unfortunately, the cutoff time for upgrading to Photoshop 6 was Dec 2012...at that time you could have upgraded for $199. IMHO a much better deal than $240/yr.

I think that they should offer both models, as they could have a lot of new customers while keeping loyal ones happy. There are a lot of people that either have very old versions because of not being able to afford the upgrades, and those who have never been able to afford the software at all. For those groups, CC gives them an opportunity finally. For those who have shelled out thousands of dollars over the years, it's another story.

However, what choice do we have? I'll tell you what is particularly irksome is the attitude of Adobe when dealing with them on this. We have large contracts with Adobe because of the nature of the organization that I work for. It has been like pulling teeth to get information about how the new licensing models will affect our contracts, and we have been waiting two weeks now for pricing. The Adobe rep was condescending and evasive, and I walked away with nothing more than a feeling of, this is how it is now, deal with it. On principal I will investigate other tools. Unfortunately it won't matter, they will pick up enough new people to make up for the few they lose. It's sad to see such an awesome company go for the money grab. Will have to wait and see how it all pans out ;)

Dr_No 09-02-2013 11:51 AM

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Adobe has successfully screwed the pooch with the conversion of their product line to 'SAAS' (Software As A Service'). I'll be damned if I'm going to part with my hard-earned cashola for what is, essentially, 'vaporware'. If, at the end of your paid subscription (length of that term is irrelevant), you choose to walk away and no longer shell out what will likely be ever-increasing user (a/k/a 'subscription') fees, you have no further ability to access your own product. Why? Because you will no longer have access to the program / app(-s) that created them. Adobe will hit the 'Kill Switch'.

I intend to remain firmly mired with my present boxed version of Photoshop CS5.1 until I can afford to purchase a boxed version of CS6. I do not rent software; I own it. Anything less than outright and complete ownership is unacceptable. If you don't own what you've purchased, you have no guarantee for use of the product(-s) you've bought - but don't own.

What, if any, incentive, will Adobe have to listen to complaints about their product? Their now-solidified subscription-based revenue stream is locked in, removing much of the incentive they may have had to concern themselves with customer complaints. Other than not renewing their subscription, 'Cloud' clients have little recourse should they become disgruntled with Adobe's TOS or product(-s).

There is also the little problem of storage. No, not storage in the 'Cloud' - I'm sure Adobe's server farms are quite large enough to store several bazillion zetabytes of data. I'm referring to personal local storage of 'Cloud'-created files once a subscriber says 'enough' and quits paying. Yes, Adobe will probably give ex-clients a modest amount of time to download their files (let's say a month) but the problem for the ex-client is then: Where do they store their downloaded 'stuff' ... ? They won't have bazillions of zetabytes. They won't have a server farm. They may have external hard drives if they're lucky. Depending on how long they remain 'Cloud'-based and how much work product they create, their ability to download files may be moot if they lack the storage capacity. Anyone doubt Adobe didn't factor this into their decision to go all 'Cloud'-y ... ? They're probably counting on it.

mistermonday 09-02-2013 12:34 PM

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Dr. No, just to be technically accurate, you never have owned any version of PS or any other s/w. The company created the s/w still owns it but they have granted you a perpetual license to use it with certain conditions. All that being said, there are a huge number of previous loyal Adobe customers who are indeed extemely upset with the new rental model.
Cheers, Murray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_No (Post 1944305)
Adobe has successfully screwed the pooch with the conversion of their product line to 'SAAS' (Software As A Service'). I'll be damned if I'm going to part with my hard-earned cashola for what is, essentially, 'vaporware'. If, at the end of your paid subscription (length of that term is irrelevant), you choose to walk away and no longer shell out what will likely be ever-increasing user (a/k/a 'subscription') fees, you have no further ability to access your own product. Why? Because you will no longer have access to the program / app(-s) that created them. Adobe will hit the 'Kill Switch'.

I intend to remain firmly mired with my present boxed version of Photoshop CS5.1 until I can afford to purchase a boxed version of CS6. I do not rent software; I own it. Anything less than outright and complete ownership is unacceptable. If you don't own what you've purchased, you have no guarantee for use of the product(-s) you've bought - but don't own.

What, if any, incentive, will Adobe have to listen to complaints about their product? Their now-solidified subscription-based revenue stream is locked in, removing much of the incentive they may have had to concern themselves with customer complaints. Other than not renewing their subscription, 'Cloud' clients have little recourse should they become disgruntled with Adobe's TOS or product(-s).

There is also the little problem of storage. No, not storage in the 'Cloud' - I'm sure Adobe's server farms are quite large enough to store several bazillion zetabytes of data. I'm referring to personal local storage of 'Cloud'-created files once a subscriber says 'enough' and quits paying. Yes, Adobe will probably give ex-clients a modest amount of time to download their files (let's say a month) but the problem for the ex-client is then: Where do they store their downloaded 'stuff' ... ? They won't have bazillions of zetabytes. They won't have a server farm. They may have external hard drives if they're lucky. Depending on how long they remain 'Cloud'-based and how much work product they create, their ability to download files may be moot if they lack the storage capacity. Anyone doubt Adobe didn't factor this into their decision to go all 'Cloud'-y ... ? They're probably counting on it.


Dr_No 09-02-2013 12:45 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
Murray, you're absolutely right and I should have been more precise in my statement. 'Perpetual Licence' is correct.

Doublehelix3216 09-03-2013 11:29 AM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
For me, at least currently, the upgrade from CS6 to CC is not worth the upgrade (camera shake repair?). Someday, there may be more features to entice me, but at this point, I am fine with CS6 and LR5, both of which I own perpetual licences for.

I honestly have no intention of going CC, but "never say never" is wise advice indeed. Who knows how I will feel in a year or two, or when my (someday) new camera's RAW files are not recognized but the current version of ACR.

Until that time... NEVER! ;-)

joekolero 09-04-2013 09:28 PM

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This should quiet some of the haters. Hard to complain about that price point.

Adobe Creative Cloud Bundle For Photographers Announced at Photoshop World - Terry White's Tech Blog

mistermonday 09-04-2013 09:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joekolero (Post 1945800)
This should quiet some of the haters. Hard to complain about that price point.

Adobe Creative Cloud Bundle For Photographers Announced at Photoshop World - Terry White's Tech Blog

The offer still appears to be a bit of a bait and hook. I can only assume that if you do not have CS3 or later or if you do qualify but you do not sign up before Dec 31, then you will pay the regular price. That implies that even if you qualify and sign up by Dec 31, at some point in the future the price of 9.99 will rise because they will not be able to justify have two tiers of customers 2 or 3 years down the road who are paying full price and half price. The announcement stated that the 9.99 deal is not the 1 year special intro but it also does not say anything about future pricing. All that being stated, I still have my original #1 concern which was not the monthly cost - it was the lack of an acceptable disengagement solution. When it becomes necessary for people to terminate their subscription, they still have nothing and perhaps no access to the files they created.

poloman 09-04-2013 09:56 PM

That is why I save my files as tiffs...not psd.

mistermonday 09-04-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by poloman (Post 1945811)
That is why I save my files as tiffs...not psd.

That works well until you have an RGB file with a nested smart object which was created in LAB color and has 50 hrs worth of dodge and burn layers. There are many other scenarios in which TIFF is not a workable solution.

Rust 09-04-2013 10:44 PM

Re: Photoshop Creative Cloud??
 
I won't do the Cloud as I don't like having to pay a monthly fee. I have CS5 on one of my computers and CS6 on the other two. I like them both for now.

joekolero 09-05-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mistermonday (Post 1945809)
I still have my original #1 concern which was not the monthly cost - it was the lack of an acceptable disengagement solution. When it becomes necessary for people to terminate their subscription, they still have nothing and perhaps no access to the files they created.

As I understand it, as long as you save your psd files to "maximize compatibility", you will be able to open your psd files in any older version of Photoshop you may have.

mistermonday 09-05-2013 07:44 AM

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"Maximize Compatibility" means to keep as compatible as possible with older versions. So what do you do if you have layers with totally new Blend Modes or Smart Objects with new functionality? And what if the new xmp files are totally incompatible with older versions of Camera RAW?
Under the old licensing model, I would invest time learning and using new PS tools in the latest version of PS. I would purchase some of the latest books by Scott Kelby or Martin Evening or others. Perhaps some tutorials from gurus like Russel Brown, a NAPP subscription, Actions, and 3rd party filters. Those were investments of time and money that had value because I would always be able to use the latest version of PS for which they were purchased. It's a bit like making home improvements to a home you own. Why would I continue to make that investment to one that I am only renting and have to abandon that investment if I am forced to move. For me the bigger issue is not so much whether the rent for CC is $10/month or $20/month. This issue is there is no acceptable disengagement strategy.

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Originally Posted by joekolero (Post 1945909)
As I understand it, as long as you save your psd files to "maximize compatibility", you will be able to open your psd files in any older version of Photoshop you may have.


poloman 09-05-2013 08:16 AM

Another way to look at it is as a payment plan. Add the cost of all the software you get with cc. Divide by the monthly fee. How long?
Do the math...

mistermonday 09-05-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by poloman (Post 1945959)
Another way to look at it is as a payment plan. Add the cost of all the software you get with cc. Divide by the monthly fee. How long?
Do the math...

Again, the biggest issue is not the mothly cost. The issue is there is no acceptable disengagement process. You supposedly signed up to CC to take advantage of all the new tools and features and you make use of them and one day you find that you can no longer support the monthly subscription. You old version of PSCS6 will likely not be able to open all you psd files where you have used new incompatible layers or other structures like smart objects. It is clear what Adobe gets for its investment, what do you get for yours?

poloman 09-05-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mistermonday (Post 1945972)
Again, the biggest issue is not the mothly cost. The issue is there is no acceptable disengagement process. You supposedly signed up to CC to take advantage of all the new tools and features and you make use of them and one day you find that you can no longer support the monthly subscription. You old version of PSCS6 will likely not be able to open all you psd files where you have used new incompatible layers or other structures like smart objects. It is clear what Adobe gets for its investment, what do you get for yours?

How long?
The period is protracted enough that you would have been looking at the new versions anyway.
My big concern is that they keep their price stable...
If not, hoping for competition...

Doublehelix3216 09-05-2013 05:52 PM

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This news is certainly good news, however I am not sure *how* good it is...

$10 per month is really not all that bad, but as mistermonday says, it is more than just the monthly fee.

Let's say I subscribe for $10 per month, and then 3 years from now something better comes along, or Adobe decides to raise the price to $30 per month, or whatever other scenario you can imagine for wanting to quit the program...

It is no big deal to buy another program, but what happens to all the work I have done over the last several years. Sure, I could save everything as a TIFF file, but as MM says, you lose a lot of things in a TIFF file and it may or may not be 100% compatible with whatever else I decide to switch to.

As MM keeps preaching, an exit strategy is essential here, even if it is an absurd amount, like $500, and you can stay locked in at wherever you are at the moment from a features perspective, gives me *some form* of an exit strategy (albeit, and expensive one!). Otherwise, I run the danger of having all of my edits rendered worthless, and I will end up with either unedited RAW files, flattened TIFFs or compressed RAW files.

Also, think about MM's comments about the $10 deal expiring on December 31st? What is up with that? If it truly is a "forever price", then why does it expire? So you are telling me that 3 years from now I will be paying $10 per month, but everyone else that joined after that date will be paying $20 (or whatever)? That seems very odd!!! If they are truly trying to show that they are supporting the photographers of the world and are making this a "forever price", then why does it expire? It makes sense from their perspective of course, but once again, this is Adobe thinking about things from their point of view and not ours.

PhotoGene47 09-06-2013 12:02 PM

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The pricing plan, which is probably going to become the model for a lot of companies, has its pros and cons. I definitely understand both points of view.

The old method, offered the user the most freedom financially to decide whether or not to buy the upgrade. This may be an issue of affordability [a monthly bill versus what used to be a decision on the part of the user whether or not to pay for new software] or the lack of significant reasons to upgrade the software such as lack of new features, dislike of the new design or simply the fact that a person does not upgrade every time because of the learning curve when operation parameters are drastically changed. Also, new software tends to be somewhat buggy until fixed even after all the beta testing. This is probably due, in part, to the great number of different devices, drivers and software interactions. Additionally, if one does not wish to upgrade, the software in use is still usable. One size does not fit all and it is my belief that people are happiest when they perform a photo task with the least amount of time and effort. This usually means working with software that is most familiar to them.

The new plan works generally well for those interested in all the latest bells and whistles, having the full-featured software [access to more features as well as a wider range of software] and a better pricing model for those that do need or want the whole store. The company in question, in this case Adobe, has a more reliable source of income. They can upgrade on the fly which benefits the company and user. Of course, the flip side of this model is that it will only be successful if the user is well-satisfied with the software. Would you rent a house you did not like? You might for a little while until you found one that was more to your liking. With this model, it will probably be less forgiving than the purchase model. And, as has been pointed out by many, if you do not pay the fee annually or monthly, you lose the software when the rental period expires. This model may have to be re-examined. Why do people, if they can, buy homes or cars instead of leasing [renting] them? Granted, there is no tax or investment opportunity here but there is one major factor that still exists: price stability. When you buy a home or car, you are essentially creating your own form of rent control. With software, it may not be rent control per se to have a monthly lease but it is still a financial burden that many may opt to negate by finding another company even if it does have fewer bells and whistles. Budgets are very, very tight and frivolous or unnecessary spending will undoubtedly make or break this business model.

Nobody likes feeling like they are being herded like cattle instead of the freedom of the open range. A lot of people like the new business model also used by at least one other very large corporation at this time. A lot of people do not. One needs to ask how the company or companies succeeded to their current level and whether or not they can continue to succeed if a huge chunk of their customers decide to jump ship. There should be more options available for current and soon-to-be former customers. Options always make for better customer service.

Damsel 09-07-2013 06:12 PM

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To be technically accurate, you do OWN the license that you bought. The license grants you the use of the software for the terms of the license, whatever they happen to be.
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Regarding the $9.99 a month offer: Lightroom is NOT a CC product---it's a boxed product. So you would not get future upgrades to Lightroom unless you pay for them.
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As for CC in general...for our organization, we would be going from ~$18,000 annual cost to ~$133,000 if we go to CC. Needless to say, I am not happy: we don't have the budget for it, so all of our kids will have to stay with CS6. Hopefully Adobe will come around, but I doubt it.

Doublehelix3216 09-07-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Damsel (Post 1947375)
Regarding the $9.99 a month offer: Lightroom is NOT a CC product---it's a boxed product. So you would not get future upgrades to Lightroom unless you pay for them.

Actually, I am pretty sure that Lightroom is a CC product (as well as a boxed product). It is actually the only one on the product line that lives on both sides of the fence.

Damsel 09-10-2013 08:05 PM

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Ah you're right about Lightroom :)

thcofer 09-19-2013 08:40 PM

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Additional Info and update:

When I purchased Photoshop CC, I did so as a single app to keep the cost down. I did not have Lightroom and was using Bridge and ACR to process and load my photos into Photoshop. Lightroom was a separate download and additional cost. Yes, they did recently add a CC version and allow it to be downloaded even if you only purchased the single app upgrade.

Adobe does seem to be taking their move to CC seriously. They have had multiple updates since I joined, making minor improvements and fixing bugs. They have also added a few features, including fonts.

So far, I am still quite happy that I moved to CC. :)

bryan_h 09-19-2013 09:40 PM

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Regarding the exit strategy:

I signed up for the trial of CS6 CC and installed on my laptop, but have yet to purchase a subscription. I am still running CS3 on my desktop. My CS6 CC on my laptop is now expired.

What I have found is that when it installed, it actually installed both the 64-bit and 32-bit versions on my laptop. If I try to run the 64-bit version after expiration, it pops up a message that I have to purchase a subscription to continue. If I try to run the 32-bit version, it runs just fine. As far as I can tell there are no limitations in the 32-bit version.

I don't know if it was intentionally done this way by Adobe, or if it may be a bug of some sort, but it may be their way of providing for an exit strategy without leaving their customers completely unable to read or edit their files.

Has anyone else had this experience? Is there anyone willing to try and see if this is a unique experience, or if it may be a "feature", for lack of a better term.


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