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Old 09-09-2010   #11
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I was faced with the same question not to far back. I finally decided to test the MAC world but from a less costly direction. I found and purchased a three year old MAC pro tower with a 24" monitor for less than 1/2 of the cost of the same machine new. It has been flawless since that purchase. Not ranking PC's but I would rank Microsoft to some degree. They don't believe in the KISS principle at all. MAC has and does. MAC does seem to have it's drawbacks as the Apple company seems to be having a change in philosophy about their customers, but what large company doesn't at some point? Consider software issues also if you don't want to run parallels. It's possible to have added costs you may not have considered. It really boils down to a personal choice. I found it difficult to make but I think I made the right choice for me at the time. Good luck. Frankly I don't think going MAC or PC would end up being a disaster.
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No fear of viruses with a Mac and the operating system is more intuitive. The only drawback is that you'll probably get emotionally attached to it.
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Should I go ahead and make the switch from PC to Mac?
No.

The reasons you gave for considering the switch don't make sense to me. Because other people insist Mac is superior? Who are these people? And who cares about them, really? The reasons have to be yours.

I don't buy the whole "Mac is easier or better" argument. I don't even buy the argument that Mac "just works." I wrote about my feelings here as well. Just last week I was listening to the moans of a Mac user whose computer died and has been in the shop for two weeks.

I sat down at a Mac the other day, and guess what? It didn't stand at attention and start doing what I wished it would. In fact, there were things I consider simple on the PC that I couldn't figure out how to do on the Mac. Easy is what you know.
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JDArt,

the best test if something is more userfriendly I found is to try out the new thing for a little while. If I miss the new thing when going back, it probably was an improvement. If I'm glad I rid of it or simply don't care, it's not worth for me.

With Windows and the Mac it was exactly this way. After trying the Mac a few times, I was wishing for Windows to be more Mac like ---> For the way I work the Mac is more user-friendly than Windows.

NB: I'm no Mac-zealot, I'm using Linux and sometimes Windows because I need it for work and photography is just a hobby.

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I stay with PC. I like having so much software available, and when something needs fixing either I or a mulitude of places can fix it.
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I'll never buy another pc ever. I switched back to Mac this year and you can't take the smile off of my face. This is the way computers should be IMO. Lose the dead weight and welcome to the dark side.
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12step,

Hardware is hardware period. There are good mother boards and crappy mother boards. There is good memory and crappy memory, good hard drives and crappy hard drives, etc...etc...etc.

The big difference I find in a Mac and a PC is in the operating system and more importantly for most people the user interface. Mac code has always been and is still a tighter written code then PC code. Sadly not quite as tightly written as the old days, but still better than most PC programs.

Apple gears their user interface to the average Joe. It is intuitive, easy to learn, and simple to navigate once you learn the simple basics. It always has been. Back in 1992 Microsoft introduced Windows 3.1. If you ever played with it, you will know what I mean. System 7 or Mac OS7 was introduced in 1991 and was a much more intuitive OS that for it's time was quite easy.

What it comes down to is what you want to use and feel comfortable using. Me, I prefer Mac. Being Unix based I find the OS to be more efficient in the long term. My machines just don't slow down like a PC will over time. For my brother-in-law this is both a blessing and a curse. He has a 6-7 year old Powerbook with the old G series processor. According to him it runs as fast and as well as the day he bought it. He however is having problems getting some programs, he is a research Professor in micro biology, since Apple has switched to Intel processors. A lot of programs are not being written/updated for the G series processors. He is buying a new MBP just because of this.

If you have an apple store near you, go give them a good try. Take some photos on a memory card. The apple store near us has an IMac with Lightroom 3, Aperture 3 and CS5 on it to play with. They also have a Power Mac built to the hilt with the same things. Then try a new PC and go from there. It really comes down to user experience. Which interface do you prefer working under.

PS. DO NOT try the Power Mac if they have one that is fully loaded. Price for one fully loaded with a 12 core i7 processor, 32 gigs of ram, specialized graphics card with 2gig of ram, and 8 TB of storage hooked to dual 30" HD Cinema Displays is only $17,000.00 +. Damn, it's sweet though.

P.P.S. Good little article on the History of the two GUI interfaces. http://www.theoligarch.com/microsoft...le_history.htm
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Each platform has it's pluses and minuses. It all depends on what you want and what you will not put up with, and what's important to you. For me, right off the bat, it's the difference in just how things look on the monitor. The way the things look, the styling of it. The Apple OS is designed with the user in mind. The way it looks on the screen is much easier on the eyes. It's prettier and layed out in an organized way. It's neat clean and elegant. Things are layed out in a step by step fashion that is much easier to understand. Once you forget what you had to do with Windows, things are much more intuitive and make sense. It's set up for the average person. You don't need to be a IT specialist to understand it. The way Microsoft stylizes things on the monitor is a turn off. But I guess I'd get past that if I had to. The real problem for me, is that everything is always WAY more complicated than it needs to be on a pc. User friendly, user experience, elegant simplicity, are not at all what PC's are. Just to get on wi-fi wherever you are is a perfect example. On a mac you click on the wifi icon, put in the password and you're done. If you've been there before it automatically is just on for you. No logging in no passwords no nothing. You're just on. On a PC you have to deal with configurations and settings and tons of dialog boxes, and enter crazy numbers. All this to get on wi-fi? You're kidding right.

The entire Windows operating system was made by and for other programmers. They assume you know what they do. That's why it is user un-friendly and convoluted and difficult. They don't take the average lay persons perspective into consideration at all. Which for me is just frustrating. The dialog boxes on pc's at least for me are usually too involved as well. It always seemed liked whatever was being asked of you looked like some thing important, but I had no idea what it was asking, and what I should click. Mac dialog boxes just look better, and are layered out in an organized manner, and you know what they are asking of you. I don't feel like I just answered incorrectly on a pop quiz. Like I just changed something, that I have no idea what I changed, and what it now is doing to the computer. Or how to bring it back to the way it was, or should be. How many times have you saved something on a pc, only to never find it again.....ever?

Viruses. YES you CAN get a virus on a mac. But the odds are so low right now that you don't need to worry about it. I haven't run any anti-virus in over 5 years. Not sure how they are now, but back then, my pc's never ran right with anti-virus on them.

I admit I have no real knowledge of computers besides just doing basic stuff. On top of that I DON'T want any either. I don't need to be able to take my car engine apart and put it back together just to drive the thing. Same with a computer. I don't want to have to jump through hoops just to get on some wi-fi, it should just put me on. I don't want to go through 5 dialog boxes just to set up and print something on a printer.

To someone who is computer savvy, these things are non-issues. But to someone like me, all these little things add up to just one frustration after another. This makes the whole computer using experience just a huge turn off.

Can macs be a lot more money? Sure they CAN. If you buy all the pieces yourself and assemble your own computer you can get better prices, but you need to know how to assemble the darn thing. Plus the time to do it, and then set it all up. I can't do that, and I have NO desire to either. I only what to know how to find the ON button. Macs do cost a bit more up front. When you spec out a pc and mac with the same parts or similar the difference in price is narrow, a few hundred bucks. Unless you go really high end. You keep a computer a few years, I'd rather pony up a few hundred bucks more up front, and save myself days of frustration. Frustration in terms of ugly screen designing, endless dialog boxes where you don't know how to answer, endless driver issues, crashes, lock ups, having to re-boot. It just seems to me that every time I tun around or try to do something, on a PC it's always MUCH more complicated and involved than you want it to be. Is that worth a few hundred dollars? Only you can decide that. To me......it totally is. You pay once, you use the computer all the time. Also you have to consider what is the total cost of owning the computer over it's life span. Just because you can buy a pc for $300, doesn't mean that's all it costs you before you get rid of it. You have to factor in your anti-virus programs, all the other programs you need to use the computer. Do you then have to add wi-fi cards or whatever hardware you need. Those all add to the price. A mac is ready to go right out of the box. And that's just for the money end too.

Now for me, it's not all about the money, to me the user experience is worth more than money. Again when I buy the computer I pay only once. But I use the computer everyday. With a mac right out of the gate you plug it in, and you're pretty much done. That's it. I don't have to load in the anti-virus before I even go online. I don't have to load up a lot of programs to use, most of the programs that come with a mac are pretty good, and they all work well together. I also don't have to then spend 2 hrs deleting all the crapware that comes with the computer that are only trial versions that are worthless. I don't have to go through 5 million configurations and settings to set up my wi-fi my printer and anything else I have. How much is that worth in a dollar amount? For me when this process has me so frustrated I'm ready to throw the computer out the window it's worth more than the price of the computer itself and then some. So that few hundred dollar premium I paid up front is cheap. Not to mention all the time energy and frustration I'll have to go through with re-formatting my computer within 6 mons WHEN I have a virus, trojan, malware or whatever else that you get online. Life is too short for me to be stymied and frustrated every time I use my computer.

For the simplicity on macs do you give up some freedom? Yes you do. But only if you have time and energy and want to tinker with software and hardware. I couldn't care any less about some new hack someone came up with. Or adding some crazy new hardware that'll knock off 1/2 sec on my boot up time, or whatever else people agonize over. I want to keep it simple, and just get to what I went to the computer for.

Now I'm not saying that macs are perfect, and never have problems. They do. Anything high tech will have problems. But the rate at which they happen are soooo much less than with pcs. You can't even put them in the same category.

I know most of the computer geeks will say the exact opposite. They want to be totally hands on, and involved with everything. They want to build their own, and then tinker with it all the time. They love all the maintenance they have to do on the pc. Set up all the latest hacks, and gizmos. It's what they like to do. More power to you. For me, I want it to be idiot proof, and very simple and absolutely no frustration at all. Totally automatic. I'm willing to give up 1/2 a sec of performance for simplicity, and ease of use.

So in the end, it's variety that makes life. Only you can decide what you want.
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It comes down to this for me. Which one will last longer and meet my performance needs? I want something dependable. I want something that isn't going to flash a "Digital Archive Error" every ten minutes 6 months after I bought it.

I want dependability.

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