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Old 12-07-2013   #11
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Shoot the whole thing on grey and strip out the bottle.
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So Photoshop the bottles out? Does that make sense if I have to do 11 and then in the future possibly a lot more?
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The excess light coming from the overly lighted background may also be causing flare thus in turn causing some diminished contrast in you images. The flare or reflection at the bottom of the jar is probably coming for the white paper in front of the subject. Placing a flag or a piece of darker paper there but out of the frame may resolve that issue.

I still detect a lack of depth of field in the sides of the jar- out of focus areas can worsen the flare by spreading the highlights into the mid tones and shadows. I still think you should leave just a bit more space around the jar.

Post production "striping" is a good idea but if you want to cut down on that work load- try reducing that background lighting by another stop or go to the gray paper as Brooks suggested.

Another possibility is that the entire file is overexposed and stopping down one more stop may rectify a number of issues including some desalinating the color in the product in the jar. Starting out with a basically poorly exposed file can exaggerate certain other minor faults.

Sometimes a polarizing filter can hep punch through reflections on glass. You can rotate the filter to obtain various degrees of reflection control so you can still retain enough reflection to give the jar shape and improve the saturation of the label and the product.

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So Photoshop the bottles out? Does that make sense if I have to do 11 and then in the future possibly a lot more?

Unfortunately that's usually what's done, either by the photographer or the graphic artist, when printer ready files are needed. It's really not that hard to do with bottle, jar or can shapes.

I agree with Ed that the image is not very sharp. Use a tripod and a tighter f/stop.
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You could try putting the bottle on a sheet of glass so it's not sitting right on the white. That would help get rid of the white reflections on the bottom of the jar.

I'd take a bit of acetone and remove the inkjet print on the bottle.
I agree with the others ... need to be sharper, especially the contents of the bottle. I'd also like to see more color and definition in the product.

On this I brought in your image (left) and used the camera raw filter to bring up the shadows, clarity, vibrance, and saturation. I masked out the label so it only got a partial treatment. I also sharpened and used a HPF layer overlay to give things a bit more pop. If I wasn't being lazy I would have used a couple color filters to bring out the reds and greens in the peppers a bit more.

I feel your lighting is too much over-head and the product is being shadowed too much by the lid. A lower light might help brighten the product and might also help put some highlights in the bottle to give it a little more shape. One thing to try would be to hide a speedlight behind the bottle and fire it in from the back. That might or might not work to brighten up the peppers. Depends on how the light spreads through the product.

Something to try for shooting glass bottles is to put your light behind a second diffuser. I use a white fabric shower curtain. That will remove the hard edges of your soft box or other modifier in the reflections on the bottle. The bottles in the second images were lit from the sides with square 27" soft boxes. About a foot in front of the soft box there's a white shower curtain.

The lower light shows off the contours of the package but doesn't create big, hard-edges reflections. I wouldn't go for reflections down the side panels on the pepper jar, but I would try to give the jar a little more shape.
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So Photoshop the bottles out? Does that make sense if I have to do 11 and then in the future possibly a lot more?

11 isn't really that many, assuming you're being paid appropriately.

One way to do it on white would be to meter the background one stop over the subject. For example, I would meter the background at f/16 and meter the subject at f/11. Flag the background around the edge of the frame as you would a light field image.

I did this yesterday to help a guy try to figure out how to get a certain type of highlight in the bottle. It was shot on white and once the lighting was set up you could simply swap them out one after the other. Granted the set-up itself is the way it is to try and mimic lighting he's being asked to replicate, but you get the point. If you want to shoot on white and have a finished image out of the gate you have to do the work in the studio. Even then you'll need to spend a minute or two per image in Ps to get the images finished off.

Bear in mind that as Brooks pointed out, if your company has someone handing printing/web they may just want the product clipped out of the background anyway so trying for a pure white background may be a waste of time.







Of course, there are fairly quick ways in Ps to extract the subject from the background but that's another issue.
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Hat's off to Andrew for taking on this project and to the Camels who are sharing their expertise. This is an area of photography I'm highly interested in and I've both enjoyed getting to share the experience and benefited from all the advice and instruction.

Thanks Scatterbrained for the pull-back shots.

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Unfortunately that's usually what's done, either by the photographer or the graphic artist, when printer ready files are needed. It's really not that hard to do with bottle, jar or can shapes.
As a graphic artist, I can tell you first hand that is NOT what I want to spend my time doing. If I can get a piece of art that's nicely set against a white background I can simply place the artwork where needed, set my type around it and be done.

The truth is that I often get artwork that has a slight vignetting around the edges or corners. That is a far easier fix, usually two seconds worth without even going into a photo editor, than doing a separation.

If you are being requested to do a white background separation, then that's what you should strive for. There is a reason for that request and it's usually to simplify the layout process. As you shoot, don't worry if there is slight vignetting in your image so long as there is white all around the edge of the subject. Removing a vignette in your post production is easy.
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Agree whole-heartedly with Steven. This is a great thread! Looking forward to seeing the final photos.
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11 isn't really that many, assuming you're being paid appropriately.

One way to do it on white would be to meter the background one stop over the subject. For example, I would meter the background at f/16 and meter the subject at f/11. Flag the background around the edge of the frame as you would a light field image.

I did this yesterday to help a guy try to figure out how to get a certain type of highlight in the bottle. It was shot on white and once the lighting was set up you could simply swap them out one after the other. Granted the set-up itself is the way it is to try and mimic lighting he's being asked to replicate, but you get the point. If you want to shoot on white and have a finished image out of the gate you have to do the work in the studio. Even then you'll need to spend a minute or two per image in Ps to get the images finished off.

Bear in mind that as Brooks pointed out, if your company has someone handing printing/web they may just want the product clipped out of the background anyway so trying for a pure white background may be a waste of time.







Of course, there are fairly quick ways in Ps to extract the subject from the background but that's another issue.
Thank you for posting your setup - I see a couple things that may help me improve


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