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Old 10-09-2007   #161
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John....I hate to agree with Mark,, but he's right on this one.....white hasn't been "in" for years now....I can't remember the last one I sold, and I have a good memory....cheers to all...Bob
I didn't care about what was "in" what I asked was what they would do if it was a deal breaker. Jeez. So, I still haven't got an answer.
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Old 10-09-2007   #162
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Actually, I did answer the question.
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To answer your question directly...nobody asks for white nowadays, so my answer would be to see if a supplier still carries it.
First rule of business:
#1. The customer is always right.

Second rule of business.
#2. If the customer is wrong, see rule #1.

If what is what they wanted, we'd try to find it.
In business, the answer is always "Yes".
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Mea culpa for posing a hypothetical.
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Most of the wedding lawsuits would be filed in small claims court where the same "burden of proof" is required for all courts in America. Civil courts have the same requirements for burden of proof that civil cases have. You've got your criminal and civil courts confused. You're thinking OJ.

No, you missunderstand that, that was exactly the point I was trying to make, you don't have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" civily just tip the scales slightly in your favor.

Funny you mention OJ, aquited in a criminal court but found "Responsible" in a Civil court and the plantifs were awarded huge amounts of cash to punish him. Which is what I was talking about.


People who claim to have personal knowledge can provide the names of the defendant as well as the complainant. If someone says he has first hand knowledge, he should be able to provide at least names, locations, and the court case number. Just because someone says that he knows of a successful court case does not mean that one exists. If the photographer who was successsfully sued for damages was represented by PPA, the PPA member who says that he has personal knowledge should have no problem securing that information. True, not all court cases are searchable via internet. True, most don't make the law books as case examples, but I guarantee that a successful $930,000.00 damages case WOULD make it into West Law or a similar publication in time. But that is not the test of whether such a successful case involving damages existed. The proof is in the names and the public court case record. Court cases that actually go to trial are public records. Settlements after that end court cases are a matter of record though outcome may not be published.

i will agree that someone who states they know a specific case could at least give a jurisdiction and time frame but they may be hesitent out of respect to a friend not to damage thier reputation or hesitate for fear of defamation or lible suits being filed. (whether legit or not).


If the claim is based upon deliberate negligence, the claim must be proven. Sorry, that's the way in which the law works.
That is true, the way the previous was written it apeared that you were saying that deliberate negligence must be proven in order to win any civil suit which is not true.
if that was not what you meant i apologize.

i don't claim to be a lawyer or expert, i nam going by having known people in various professions that have gon through suits as well as having served on a couple juries in the past as well as some common sence.

Just out of curiosity you mention West law, admittedly i am not familliar with this, and from some of your statements you apear to consider yourself a bit of an expert on law. what is your background? No offense or disrespect meant just wonderin as few of us know each other personally and we can all be missinterpred due to not having the ability to "read" a person like we could in person. There is no emotion online.........
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My wife would have rejected you on that one and only point. She would prefer white. What do you do when the client wants white, and that is a deal breaker?
I guess they find someone else.

Here's what I'd say. "Over time, your white album will turn brown. As for black, it looks more professional. It will not turn a different color and it will hide dirt, fingerprints, etc. a lot better. Now, which black version would you like?"

See how easy that is?
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I guess they find someone else.
I'll send you my phone number to give them....just kidding. I get what you mean, I was just wondering what issues you really need to twist the customer's arm over. Thanks.
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Actually, John, in the last 2 years I haven't even sold a traditional library bound type book. All the books/albums that I've sold have been custom designed covers for their coffee table style book. The cover is not black. It can be ANYTHING that I want it to be. BTW, the couple doesn't give me direction on design. Nor do I ask for it, usually. I did have one bride give me her list of images (120) with which ones she wanted in b&w, sepia, selective color, and regular color. I did honor that and designed it per those requests. But the layout was at my discretion. Hope that helps.

I agree with Mark. If she REALLY wanted white, I'd try to find a supplier. However, like he said, they don't ask for white. Heck, after seeing these coffee table books I make, they don't even ask for the black! They want the CT books! They are so cool! Gotta go.
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In the few I've done, the "albums" were press printed books, one was from Asuka Books (pricey, but real nice). So, that's also sort of why I asked.
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Asuka makes some nice books, from what I've seen. I use a different supplier, but pretty much the same concept.
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I'll send you my phone number to give them....just kidding. I get what you mean, I was just wondering what issues you really need to twist the customer's arm over. Thanks.
New York is bit of a drive from Kansas.

Explaining the benefits for them and making them more attractive than the other. IOW, help them see it your way, and why it's better. In most cases.


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