Comment to Picture Post Ratio

[patterfr]

Love the Gallery idea
Can you receive critique there?
For the record, there are also those who post extraordinary pictures and do very little critiquing of others stuff. I'd welcome a ratio warning for lower responses as well. Again not to pitch them off the cliff into all levels of Dante's Inferno, just to encourage them to help us poor shmoes as well.
If you got 20 pics where we all ooh and ahh, and no posts critiquing others you are missing an opportunity to help others as well. Ya know: "Community"

Edit: I used "warning" I don't mean warning as much as suggestion. Again not to single any one person out.

[Lee4145]

spystyle, your post is the perfect example of the nightmare that trying to please everyone poses. There are simply too many variables involved to try to "legitimize" everyone. What's next? Make everyone post his tax return?

I think a person's reputation becomes self-evident pretty quickly and they are afforded whatever respect they come to deserve.

Suffice to say there are many posts that I simply jump over when reading through a thread because I know what I'll find there and I don't necessarily want to get any of it on me.

[Rain Lily]

Originally Posted by Lee4145

Suffice to say there are many posts that I simply jump over when reading through a thread because I know what I'll find there and I don't necessarily want to get any of it on me.

I just about fell out of my chair...

[patterfr]

Yeah that was funny. And I wouldn't equate age with talent or wisdom directly.
But I would support a little check box when you are uploading a pic asking "Would you like this displayed in your gallery."

[Mr. Pickles]

The FREE PhotoCamel Gallery is here as a bonus to our Members. It is here so our Members can post their images in there, rather than at other sites, some of which require a yearly or monthly fee.

We do NOT want to put a requirement to actually put images into their gallery. Just so you know, a lot of people come to PhotoCamel to DISCUSS photography, and could really care less about what you have in your "gallery" whether it is here or elsewhere. And a lot of people will NOT click on a link to images regardless of their location.

It isn't easy pleasing everybody, and some of these suggestions will take time to implement and may not have any impact on the greatness of PhotoCamel itself. Seems like these new suggestions by some members (Gallery count, thread to image ratio met, etc) could be considered some odd rating system so people can judge whether a critique or suggestion is worthy or not, and we shouldn't need one.

A better suggestion would be to explore the whole site and actually discuss the images and ideas presented, and comment on more of them. Some members seem to be stuck in one or two boards here, but talk and post about things that should be elsewhere. Sure their argument that the other boards aren't visited much is valid, but only because they aren't going in there and participating either.....

[Pony]

Originally Posted by patterfr

For the record I didn't single anyone out. Except for you now to respond. THis is not meant in the spirit of division, rather in the spirit of promoting a friendlier place.

No one accused you of pointing anybody out.That was a generalization for all members,
just as the word "you" was meant as a genralization.Why have an indicator when everyone already has a good idea of image poster/non image posters.Your smiley is a good indication of not wanting to signal out people.I understand the reasoning behind your post.Fair is fair.I can only say that I will keep posting critiques if I see them helpful and post images at my leisure.If you-they- predetermine it's not worth reading,I DON'T CARE!
That's your privilage!

[Rense]

Originally Posted by patterfr

That is the nature of my suggestion and it's oK to disagree, but please don't ask me
to "Stop this" I believe I have a right to my opinion same as you.

This wasn't directed to you. You're post was mild, by along came some idea's that
are not right in my eyes.

And it was in now way ment to be some kind of fencing in.

Originally Posted by patterfr

My suggestion was that a pop up come up after so many posts without their own
pic. I didn't suggest a ban or a limit or anything like that. Every so often I
make myself do some of the menial tasks that I expect of the people who answer
to me so that I never lose sight of what it was like to be in there shoes.

I know, that there was no ban or something like that. But I really think that this
forum should be as free as possible: so no a popup to remind you would have to be
on a voluntary basis. That aspect I didn't see in any of the postings.

Originally Posted by patterfr

If you value "every" post then I would respectfully submit that you haven't
read every post. Certainly some of the ones that I specifically have in mind.
Maybe you value them in a "free speech" kind of way. Yes I stand for free
speech, hence I didn't say we should limit posts or censor them in any way.

True I don't read every post, but a rough estimate: I look at about 80% of the postings.
Some of the postingts are bad and some are good just like in real life.
My statement was a relative one: postings with images don't get a higher 'rating',
postings without images don't get a higher rating.

Originally Posted by patterfr

I will stand by my suggestion that if you are posting your own pics then you
would be more likely to offer critique that is both honest and encouraging.

Please stand by your suggestion.

[patterfr]

Alright, I give up.
Leave it the exact way it is.
Lee's probably right it settles itself out.
If your reference is directed at me Mr. Pickles. I never once said that this is how it should be done in every forum. Nor do I visit a lot of them. I'd be interested in suggestions for becoming a better Member here. For instance, I promise I will make an effort to visit other forums. Maybe even the Image editing forum, I got a lot to learn there. You are right.

Edit: Rense: You have changed my mind. Honestly. Thanks.

[Mr. Pickles]

My reference was directed at whomever wants to receive it. If you like part of the site, you might like other parts. Might learn some new stuff. Might make you better.

Of course, it might not, and you might get less done because you are on here even more...

[Rain Lily]

I thought it was a good idea, Fran.
Sis

[Pony]

Sis,you're a bridge of support.I respect you for that!

[Rain Lily]

lol, thanks - I need all the respect I can get!
Sis

[spystyle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

...could be considered some odd rating system so people can judge whether a critique or suggestion is worthy or not...

I can dig it - but "post count" is often thought of as a "value meter", if you really want a site with "no meter" post count should not be displayed.

I have been on forums that don't display "post count" and that really makes every post seem equally as "potentially valuable" - but adding things like age, post count, number of images in gallery, ect. Does help us to evaluate who we are talking with.

For example, if a teenager called my snapshot "boring" I would take it less to heart than if a real photographer did.. Also I would wonder why a real photographer used a word as simple as "boring" when critiquing my image and didn't give a more detailed analysis.

Cheers,
Craig

[patterfr]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Seems like these new suggestions by some members (Gallery count, thread to image ratio met, etc) could be considered some odd rating system so people can judge whether a critique or suggestion is worthy or not, and we shouldn't need one.

For the record I was not interested in rating system for comments or members. Let me give you an analogy. Lately there have been a few "inconsiderate" critiques. We'll leave it at that. Not of my stuff either, so this isn't meant to be self serving. I was trying to think of a way to discourage that.

If you are a baseball fan you'll get this. In the American league pitchers don't come to bat, so if they decide to intentionally hit another team's batter, there's no consequence. In the other league(National Leauge, or what some of us refer to as the minor league,) pitcher's have to come to bat. SO if you plunk someone intentionally in the NL, you get plunked yourself when you come to bat. You would think there would be a lot of plunking, but there isn't in the National League because the pitcher can't do it without some consequence. Happens all the time in the AMericn Leaugue because the pitcher doesn't come to bat.

We got some American League pitchers here and I thought it'd be good to let them get up to bat ocasionally.

And remember, there's no crying in baseball.

[Rain Lily]

Originally Posted by patterfr

And remember, there's no crying in baseball.

But there is kicking dirt on the umpires...

Mr. Pickles! Heads up!

(teehee! YOU KNOW I'm teasing you...)
Sis

[KellyL]

Yes Rense, I hear you. I do try to get along with everybody...and I am probably a posting hog.

[Rense]

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[KellyL]

Originally Posted by Lee4145

spystyle, your post is the perfect example of the nightmare that trying to please everyone poses. There are simply too many variables involved to try to "legitimize" everyone. What's next? Make everyone post his tax return?

I think a person's reputation becomes self-evident pretty quickly and they are afforded whatever respect they come to deserve.

Suffice to say there are many posts that I simply jump over when reading through a thread because I know what I'll find there and I don't necessarily want to get any of it on me.

That is a good point, Lee.

Now I feel badly. I'll start reading your posts again.

[Rain Lily]

IS NOBODY GONNA LAUGH AT MY JOKE?

[Lee4145]

Originally Posted by KellyL

That is a good point, Lee.

Now I feel badly. I'll start reading your posts again.

lol. By all means Kelly, if reading my posts gets the bottom of your shoes dirty, feel free to hop over them!


Edit: I told you, Sis, I'm not a baseball fan so I probably didn't get it.