Another Borderless Printing Question

[Steven G Webb]

I've been using a combination of R1800 and R800 printers for a number of years. I noticed recently (not to say it's been this way all along) that printing a 5X7 borderless print part of the image missing around the edge. On the PS canvas and in the print dialog there was more room around the outer perimeter of the image. So, if I turn the borderless "off" the entire area prints, even with the border around the edge. At this past show, I printed an 8X10 and the crop crowded an element (the standard of a horse jump) onto the edge, in the borderless print a part of it was cut off.

For the life of me, I don't remember the printer (R1800) behaving this way.

Have I been that unobservant in the past, or has something changed one me or do I just need to reinstall the driver?

TIA

Steve

[dmthompson]

Originally Posted by Songman45

I've been using a combination of R1800 and R800 printers for a number of years. I noticed recently (not to say it's been this way all along) that printing a 5X7 borderless print part of the image missing around the edge. On the PS canvas and in the print dialog there was more room around the outer perimeter of the image. So, if I turn the borderless "off" the entire area prints, even with the border around the edge. At this past show, I printed an 8X10 and the crop crowded an element (the standard of a horse jump) onto the edge, in the borderless print a part of it was cut off.

For the life of me, I don't remember the printer (R1800) behaving this way.

Have I been that unobservant in the past, or has something changed one me or do I just need to reinstall the driver?

TIA

Steve

On all the Ebson printers I have used there is a box to check that says "Center Print" or something to that effect.



Dwight

[mistermonday]

Check your image dimension in pixels as well as the resolution you have specified. Some printer drivers have an option (on by default) to upsize the image by a few % to guarantee that there is no white edge or border on a borderless print and also to take into account that the paper is never perfectly aligned in the printer. Upsizing can introduce softness in the output. I never use borderless any more but print two 5 x 7 on an 8 x 10 sheet and use my Fiskars paper cutter to trim them.
Cheers, Murray

[Steven G Webb]

Originally Posted by dmthompson

On all the Ebson printers I have used there is a box to check that says "Center Print" or something to that effect.



Dwight

I'm not following you Dwight. If the image size=media size how does centering affect the edges?

Originally Posted by mistermonday

Check your image dimension in pixels as well as the resolution you have specified. Some printer drivers have an option (on by default) to upsize the image by a few % to guarantee that there is no white edge or border on a borderless print and also to take into account that the paper is never perfectly aligned in the printer. Upsizing can introduce softness in the output. I never use borderless any more but print two 5 x 7 on an 8 x 10 sheet and use my Fiskars paper cutter to trim them.
Cheers, Murray

Thanks Murray. We used to print 5X7's on 8X10 paper. I don't take a trimmer for our on-site printing, there is too much risk for injury as there are generally many, many children around and our display area is not always manned. I prefer using the 5X7 and 8X10 paper. There is a print option to resize to fit media but I don't believe that is the problem as the media and the crop match there is nothing to upsize.

Maybe I'll just crop these loose so we don't risk cutting off things near the edge of the print. Or I'll start printing with a border.

[Seawolf66]

songman> are you using LTRM I can help you there other type of photo processing not me:

[Steven G Webb]

Originally Posted by Seawolf66

songman> are you using LTRM I can help you there other type of photo processing not me:

No sir, I'm editing and processing out of PS.

[Steven G Webb]

Wonder of all wonders, I found the answer and that I've been mighty unobservant for a long time.

By design the printer slightly enlarges the image to compensate for it's own physical limitations and a portion of the image is sprayed onto the over-spray sponge. Thus when the same cropped image is printed with the border the whole image shows up even with the border and part is missing without it. Mystery solved, but not easily.

[markjan1]

I've got a Canon s9000 and have just stated doing borderless prints (all sizes A4/A3/A3+) - if you do a lot of this sort of printing (question) where does all the ink go to that 'overshoots' the sides of the paper ? - i know it's not a lot but it must accumulate and present some sort of 'long term' problem....

Regards
Mark
sticker printing

[Seawolf66]

your right on this one

Originally Posted by dmthompson

On all the Ebson printers I have used there is a box to check that says "Center Print" or something to that effect.



Dwight

[Seawolf66]

on Epson 2200 it states you should not do border-less prints because the ink after a period of time ink will get wheels gummed up and cause ink stains on the back of the prints