new edit - PhotoCamel

felix.reichardt · 02-29-2008

While I was working on a print edition of this I thought to try to tone down the for- and background and add some vignette with the lens filter.

Athena · 03-01-2008

I like the finished result Felix. Could you show us the before and after so we can see the result of your edit? I'm not clear on what you mean by "tone down".

rebeccah · 03-01-2008

I really like this. I think the vignetting works nicely.

felix.reichardt · 03-01-2008

Athena, here is the "original". I personally like the above version better - what you think?

Athena · 03-01-2008

ok - I see what you mean. The stone has less color, is closer to grey. I like that.

felix.reichardt · 03-01-2008

Thanks. btw nice new avatar ... self portrait? if yes, fantastic.

Athena · 03-01-2008

thank you Felix (yes, SP)

nldunne · 03-01-2008

Felix

An idea that may help. It is similar to my use of my GRAY SCALE/VALUE FINDER.

If nothing else works = try to scan a KODAL GREY CARD into your P C and save it someplace handy.
Next, open your work image - in your art program
Next, open your GREY CARD and DRAG it on top of a GREY TONE in your image over your mid grey tone in your work copy image.
Next, outline your work copy and in SATURATION TOOL in HUE SATURATION, reduce the SATURATION '0' (B/W) all at one go
Next, with the BRIGHTNESS TOOL in HUE SATURATION - MATCH the GREY TONE on the WORK IMAGE to the GREY CARD for brightness, density, contrast and one is not brighter than the other. A good magnifying lens is a good help here
Next, in the SATURATION TOOL, SLOWLY, add back the color a bit at a time until just the two GREY'S MATCH and one is not brighter than the other
Next, click DONE and SAVE
Next, do a check for CONTRAST, SHARPNESS keeping both GREYS even in brightness, contrast, and all.
Next, do a DONE, SAVE
Next do a FORMAT->RESIZE to a posting size
Next, do a FILE ->SAVE AS and make a JPG file for posting or saving or..........

It helps me to stay away from 'guessing' my tone levels.

You may be surprised at your results. It does not take that long to do it - but I would work slowly.

Good Luck

patterfr · 03-01-2008

Love it, the edited one better also.

Goofup · 03-01-2008

Six of one, half dozen of the other for me, but the girl herself looks better in the first one. (Ouch, that's gotta hurt sitting on that thing!)

felix.reichardt · 03-01-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by nldunne

Felix

An idea that may help. It is similar to my use of my GRAY SCALE/VALUE FINDER.

If nothing else works = try to scan a KODAL GREY CARD into your P C and save it someplace handy.
Next, open your work image - in your art program
Next, open your GREY CARD and DRAG it on top of a GREY TONE in your image over your mid grey tone in your work copy image.
Next, outline your work copy and in SATURATION TOOL in HUE SATURATION, reduce the SATURATION '0' (B/W) all at one go
Next, with the BRIGHTNESS TOOL in HUE SATURATION - MATCH the GREY TONE on the WORK IMAGE to the GREY CARD for brightness, density, contrast and one is not brighter than the other. A good magnifying lens is a good help here
Next, in the SATURATION TOOL, SLOWLY, add back the color a bit at a time until just the two GREY'S MATCH and one is not brighter than the other
Next, click DONE and SAVE
Next, do a check for CONTRAST, SHARPNESS keeping both GREYS even in brightness, contrast, and all.
Next, do a DONE, SAVE
Next do a FORMAT->RESIZE to a posting size
Next, do a FILE ->SAVE AS and make a JPG file for posting or saving or..........

It helps me to stay away from 'guessing' my tone levels.

You may be surprised at your results. It does not take that long to do it - but I would work slowly.

Good Luck

Thank you so much for your detailed description but to be honest I'm a bit clueless what this should help with? You mean to get the tones correct in the original or the "toned down" version? Sorry, maybe I'm a bit slow it's getting late now.

nldunne · 03-01-2008

My idea here is to give you a guide to work with to help you bring in your mid greys as accurately as possible - like the rocks in this image - to their true color and/or tone. In so doing, you will keep your other tones accurate - or at least they should be - and give you - I hope - a good tonal range through the image.

This procedure is done right from the start - when you first open an image into your art program from the cam. All the notes on this idea are in the thread SQUEEZE BOX PLAYER in this PORTRAIT section.

By bringing in the color a bit at a time, maybe a softer or brighter skin color or other areas of the image may or may not be what is right for the image. This is a person's own choice here.

I like to have control of my tonal range - I am TERRIBLE at eyeballing an image - especially if I am doing an enlargement of any size.

I hope this helps.

nldunne · 03-01-2008

Felix

I got a reminder you posted something here - but it did not come out on my screen. Can you assist me to bring it out from your end. My thanks, mate.

Maggie_B · 03-01-2008

Beautiful Felix...I like the vignette on this one.

Mag

KellyL · 03-01-2008

Felix, very subtle difference. It is a great photo.

felix.reichardt · 03-01-2008

Thank you all for looking and commenting.

felix.reichardt · 03-01-2008

Hi Norme Dunne,

I actually just wanted to isolate the subject from the rock and background by desaturating the color of the same. So I wasn't really on a quest for a middle gray in the rock for this example.

So what I did:

1. Take the original full color version
2. Quick mask the subject
3. Invert the selection
4. Desaturate the rock and see.
5. Add vignette with lens filter.

DAVE PROUTY · 03-02-2008

Your final version is quite nice! It has a feeling of softness even though she's sitting on something we know is quite hard and uncomfortable. Nice job! Beautiful portrait of this girl. If she was my daughter, it would be at least a 20 x 24 on my wall!

felix.reichardt · 03-02-2008

Thanks Dave.

k9ofkaos · 03-03-2008

Felix, I love your work and this one is no exception. I like your edit and she just jumps off the page.

I can't wait until you shoot some more.

03-01-2008	#2 (permalink)
Athena Photocamel Muse Location: Switzerland Posts: 12,007 CamelKarma: 17149 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit I like the finished result Felix. Could you show us the before and after so we can see the result of your edit? I'm not clear on what you mean by "tone down".
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03-01-2008	#3 (permalink)
rebeccah Guanaco Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 304 CamelKarma: 261 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit I really like this. I think the vignetting works nicely.
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03-01-2008	#5 (permalink)
Athena Photocamel Muse Location: Switzerland Posts: 12,007 CamelKarma: 17149 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit ok - I see what you mean. The stone has less color, is closer to grey. I like that.
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03-01-2008	#6 (permalink)
felix.reichardt Photocamel Master Location: Bali, Indonesia Posts: 5,010 CamelKarma: 11710 Editing OK?: No Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Thanks. btw nice new avatar ... self portrait? if yes, fantastic.
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03-01-2008	#7 (permalink)
Athena Photocamel Muse Location: Switzerland Posts: 12,007 CamelKarma: 17149 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit thank you Felix (yes, SP)
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03-01-2008	#8 (permalink)
nldunne F1 Camel Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,715 CamelKarma: 19765 Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Felix An idea that may help. It is similar to my use of my GRAY SCALE/VALUE FINDER. If nothing else works = try to scan a KODAL GREY CARD into your P C and save it someplace handy. Next, open your work image - in your art program Next, open your GREY CARD and DRAG it on top of a GREY TONE in your image over your mid grey tone in your work copy image. Next, outline your work copy and in SATURATION TOOL in HUE SATURATION, reduce the SATURATION '0' (B/W) all at one go Next, with the BRIGHTNESS TOOL in HUE SATURATION - MATCH the GREY TONE on the WORK IMAGE to the GREY CARD for brightness, density, contrast and one is not brighter than the other. A good magnifying lens is a good help here Next, in the SATURATION TOOL, SLOWLY, add back the color a bit at a time until just the two GREY'S MATCH and one is not brighter than the other Next, click DONE and SAVE Next, do a check for CONTRAST, SHARPNESS keeping both GREYS even in brightness, contrast, and all. Next, do a DONE, SAVE Next do a FORMAT->RESIZE to a posting size Next, do a FILE ->SAVE AS and make a JPG file for posting or saving or.......... It helps me to stay away from 'guessing' my tone levels. You may be surprised at your results. It does not take that long to do it - but I would work slowly. Good Luck
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03-01-2008	#9 (permalink)
patterfr Photocamel Master Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,781 CamelKarma: 37037 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Love it, the edited one better also.
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03-01-2008	#10 (permalink)
Goofup F1 Camel Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,725 CamelKarma: 699 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Six of one, half dozen of the other for me, but the girl herself looks better in the first one. (Ouch, that's gotta hurt sitting on that thing!)
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03-01-2008	#12 (permalink)
nldunne F1 Camel Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,715 CamelKarma: 19765 Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit My idea here is to give you a guide to work with to help you bring in your mid greys as accurately as possible - like the rocks in this image - to their true color and/or tone. In so doing, you will keep your other tones accurate - or at least they should be - and give you - I hope - a good tonal range through the image. This procedure is done right from the start - when you first open an image into your art program from the cam. All the notes on this idea are in the thread SQUEEZE BOX PLAYER in this PORTRAIT section. By bringing in the color a bit at a time, maybe a softer or brighter skin color or other areas of the image may or may not be what is right for the image. This is a person's own choice here. I like to have control of my tonal range - I am TERRIBLE at eyeballing an image - especially if I am doing an enlargement of any size. I hope this helps.
	__________________ Norm Dunne Lover of Old Master Painters and Paintings.

03-01-2008	#13 (permalink)
nldunne F1 Camel Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,715 CamelKarma: 19765 Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Felix I got a reminder you posted something here - but it did not come out on my screen. Can you assist me to bring it out from your end. My thanks, mate.
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03-01-2008	#14 (permalink)
Maggie_B Bactrian Posts: 1,870 CamelKarma: 8159 Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Beautiful Felix...I like the vignette on this one. Mag
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03-01-2008	#15 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Felix, very subtle difference. It is a great photo.
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03-01-2008	#16 (permalink)
felix.reichardt Photocamel Master Location: Bali, Indonesia Posts: 5,010 CamelKarma: 11710 Editing OK?: No Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Thank you all for looking and commenting.
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03-01-2008	#17 (permalink)
felix.reichardt Photocamel Master Location: Bali, Indonesia Posts: 5,010 CamelKarma: 11710 Editing OK?: No Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Hi Norme Dunne, I actually just wanted to isolate the subject from the rock and background by desaturating the color of the same. So I wasn't really on a quest for a middle gray in the rock for this example. So what I did: 1. Take the original full color version 2. Quick mask the subject 3. Invert the selection 4. Desaturate the rock and see. 5. Add vignette with lens filter.
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03-02-2008	#18 (permalink)
DAVE PROUTY Llama Posts: 612 CamelKarma: 1835 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Your final version is quite nice! It has a feeling of softness even though she's sitting on something we know is quite hard and uncomfortable. Nice job! Beautiful portrait of this girl. If she was my daughter, it would be at least a 20 x 24 on my wall!

03-02-2008	#19 (permalink)
felix.reichardt Photocamel Master Location: Bali, Indonesia Posts: 5,010 CamelKarma: 11710 Editing OK?: No Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Thanks Dave.
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03-03-2008	#20 (permalink)
k9ofkaos Photocamel Master Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 6,930 CamelKarma: 34896 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: new edit Felix, I love your work and this one is no exception. I like your edit and she just jumps off the page. I can't wait until you shoot some more. __________________ Members don't see ads in threads. Register your free account today and become a member on PhotoCamel - Your Friendly Photo Forum, gaining access to posting privileges, contests, free plug-ins and other downloads, unlimited online storage for your photographs, reviews, free marketplace listings, and much more.
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