Understanding Exposure - Page 19 - PhotoCamel

JohnC · 08-09-2007

Pretty much in-camera metering and look at the LCD (which is often hard to see in the bright sun) and some guestimates on exposure compensation. Usually in AV mode. Some might be manual. The self portraits are at whatever the camera was set to at the time.

KellyL · 08-09-2007

JohnC...would you be so kind as to link to this discussion. I am wondering what you guys are talking about.,

JohnC · 08-10-2007

http://www.photocamel.com/forum/cano...e-lens-5d.html

KellyL · 08-10-2007

Thanks JohnC. Very interesting photos, and GREAT exposure.

KellyL · 08-10-2007

Using my meter and the WhiBal card for color. Still not getting the sky included in the photograph. This was shot late in the evening...about 7:30. Almost too late. Light was coming from behind them. Metered off the babies face with the hand held meter.

kgphoto · 08-10-2007

Kelly,

Contrast range will not enable you to get the sky in good color unless you bring the foreground light value up to Sunny 16 +1. Your meter should show you that easily. The best thing to do here is clone some leaves over the sky that is poking through and get rid of the distracting hot spots.

In the future, also watch out for lens flare that could degrade image saturation.

brice · 08-11-2007

Kelly, in this case, meter for the sky and add fill flash to bring the models up to the same exposure. Otherwise you have to live with this kind of exposure.

KellyL · 08-11-2007

The sky was so uninteresting, that i thought...why bother metering for it? But I look at this and think...what a wasted moment. That blown sky is horrible. Of course, I was restricted to a 580EX...my Metz was at home....grrrrrr.

Max@Home · 08-11-2007

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Originally Posted by KellyL

...Of course, I was restricted to a 580EX...

...restricted?? LOL! even with the onboard flash you could have 'filled' this one !

...€0.02...

Kindest regards,

Max@Home

KellyL · 08-11-2007

I have been brainwashed by Mark McCall...you know that Max!

JohnC · 08-11-2007

What would have happened if you moved a foot to the right so that there was only green behind them and the sky was out of the frame?

heartseye · 08-11-2007

John's suggestion makes more sense to me that using flash....flash will destroy at least some of the modellling effect of the ambient light , particularly on-camera flash, and I only use it for 'hopeless" cases. Cheers...Bob

KellyL · 08-11-2007

Agreed, and agreed. Thanks men.

KellyL · 08-12-2007

Testing the sunny 16 rule. Surprsingly, my LCD panel indicated that the white jacket was blown...I think...I would have to go back and double check. But notice the blue sky peeking through the background. I wish there was a better way to see the LCD panel. I have to run to the shade, cover and peek. This was the last wedding that I plan on video taping for hire, but of course, I had my camera on hand in order to do some tests. It was a great way to play without stress.

KellyL · 08-12-2007

Testing the Auto mode on a bright sunny day. It was around 5:00.

KellyL · 08-12-2007

Trying to use manual, expose for the blue sky, and use fill flash to help bride and groom. Duh. They were facing the sun. Why would I use fill flash? Except look at their eyes. Is this a hopeless situation when trying to get their eyes filled with light?

cyclohexane · 08-12-2007

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Surprsingly, my LCD panel indicated that the white jacket was blown

The blinking highlight function warns you before the values reach 256.

KellyL · 08-12-2007

Thank you Michael. You know everything! I am so impressed with your depth of knowledge.

Dean Johnson · 08-12-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by KellyL

Trying to use manual, expose for the blue sky, and use fill flash to help bride and groom. Duh. They were facing the sun. Why would I use fill flash? Except look at their eyes. Is this a hopeless situation when trying to get their eyes filled with light?

That's why you'd use fill flash...to fill in shadows on eyes....etc....

Not a hopeless situation at all. Your 580 should be able to fill that in no problem. Depending on the distance of course....

Worm324 · 08-12-2007

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Originally Posted by cyclohexane

The blinking highlight function warns you before the values reach 256.

I just recently realized this when I took some falls shots. It said the water was just barley blown by the blinking, but it was actually at about 245-250 when I checked it in PS. That is a great piece of info and has caused me to underexpose many a times

Kelly, Nice work on your recent efforts. TUff lighting conditions make "limited time" photography brutal dude!!

Jay

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JohnC Dromedary Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,060 CamelKarma: 573 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Pretty much in-camera metering and look at the LCD (which is often hard to see in the bright sun) and some guestimates on exposure compensation. Usually in AV mode. Some might be manual. The self portraits are at whatever the camera was set to at the time. __________________ Members don't see ads in threads. Register your free account today and become a member on PhotoCamel - Your Friendly Photo Forum, gaining access to posting privileges, contests, free plug-ins and other downloads, unlimited online storage for your photographs, reviews, free marketplace listings, and much more.
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08-09-2007	#362 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure JohnC...would you be so kind as to link to this discussion. I am wondering what you guys are talking about.,
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08-10-2007	#363 (permalink)
JohnC Dromedary Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,060 CamelKarma: 573 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure http://www.photocamel.com/forum/cano...e-lens-5d.html
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08-10-2007	#364 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Thanks JohnC. Very interesting photos, and GREAT exposure.
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08-10-2007	#366 (permalink)
kgphoto Dromedary Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,425 CamelKarma: 614 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Kelly, Contrast range will not enable you to get the sky in good color unless you bring the foreground light value up to Sunny 16 +1. Your meter should show you that easily. The best thing to do here is clone some leaves over the sky that is poking through and get rid of the distracting hot spots. In the future, also watch out for lens flare that could degrade image saturation.

08-11-2007	#367 (permalink)
brice Dromedary Posts: 1,319 CamelKarma: 691 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Kelly, in this case, meter for the sky and add fill flash to bring the models up to the same exposure. Otherwise you have to live with this kind of exposure.
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08-11-2007	#368 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure The sky was so uninteresting, that i thought...why bother metering for it? But I look at this and think...what a wasted moment. That blown sky is horrible. Of course, I was restricted to a 580EX...my Metz was at home....grrrrrr.
	__________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." ~ Scott Adams ~ I am NOW in the 21st Century! Click to find out why! "Opportunity knocks in vain if you don't reach out and open the door." K.C. Lyle

08-11-2007	#370 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure I have been brainwashed by Mark McCall...you know that Max!
	__________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." ~ Scott Adams ~ I am NOW in the 21st Century! Click to find out why! "Opportunity knocks in vain if you don't reach out and open the door." K.C. Lyle

08-11-2007	#371 (permalink)
JohnC Dromedary Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,060 CamelKarma: 573 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure What would have happened if you moved a foot to the right so that there was only green behind them and the sky was out of the frame?
	__________________ John Cornicello Seattle, WA http://www.johncornicello.com

08-11-2007	#372 (permalink)
heartseye Former Camel Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,487 CamelKarma: 460 Editing OK?: No Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure John's suggestion makes more sense to me that using flash....flash will destroy at least some of the modellling effect of the ambient light , particularly on-camera flash, and I only use it for 'hopeless" cases. Cheers...Bob

08-11-2007	#373 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Agreed, and agreed. Thanks men.
	__________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." ~ Scott Adams ~ I am NOW in the 21st Century! Click to find out why! "Opportunity knocks in vain if you don't reach out and open the door." K.C. Lyle

08-12-2007	#378 (permalink)
KellyL Photocamel Master Location: Mental State: Just west of chaos and south of disaster. Posts: 9,346 CamelKarma: 25534 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Understanding Exposure Thank you Michael. You know everything! I am so impressed with your depth of knowledge.
	__________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." ~ Scott Adams ~ I am NOW in the 21st Century! Click to find out why! "Opportunity knocks in vain if you don't reach out and open the door." K.C. Lyle

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