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Vicuna
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I've been having trouble with my reds using Adobe Camera Raw. I tried some different default profiles people on other forums suggested and they still did not look right. I haven't calibrated my monitor and am not a pro or do I want to be. I've known the reds in my bird pictures were wrong and have been unable to correct it.
Nobody on this forum ever mentioned it. I don't understand why. They just say nice capture etc. etc. I read other forums also but mostly only post here. I like the friendly nature of this forum, but I wish people would be more honest. I want to be told when my picture is wrong or bad even if you don't tell me why. At least then I can ask someone else what is wrong. When everyone tells you nice picture then you tend to believe it. I know there are some very good photographers on this forum(much better than I will ever be), but only seldom does anyone tell someone that their picture is not the greatest. Well, that's my rant for now. I guess I will have to put a disclaimer at the bottom of my posts such as: Please critique, I am not thin skinned and I can take whatever bad things you have to say. I even have a better idea. We should have an option in everyone's profile for giving permission to criticize, and another option giving permission for others to copy and photoshop correct a posted file. I'm not sure if this would be possible but I think its a good idea. Back to the Reds. I found out on other forums that ACR has problems with reds and that DPP handles them much better. Below I am posting two files, one with ACR reds and one with DPP reds. I left most everything at default but exposure, brightness and contrast and then doing an auto level. I think the DPP looks much better, but this is just my judgement. What do you think. __________________
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Go to the "Calibrate" tab in ACR (I'm using CS1, btw), and shift the Red Hue slider until you like the red.* I used "Red -15" on this one of a fellow Photocamel member:
![]() This isn't the best example, but it was the first image I had handy with a sizable chunk of red in it. "Red -15" is my default setting when converting files from my D2H. |
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Vicuna
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I have been using a default of -12 for Red Hue and a Plus 24 for Red Saturation. I've tried values in between these and still have not found one that makes the Cardinal look right in ACR. With DPP I didn't have to do anything, and to me, it looks right. I haven't noticed a problem with my reds in pictures other than birds. I think I am just more attuned to what the color of a Cardinal should look like.
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It has been a topic but a while ago, about canon sensors* after the D60 not giving the nicest of skin colors [to much reds] I think you may have come along after the topic had run its course for a while .
Some times I look at the pics from my 1ds2 and think the reds and possibly the blues feels more saturated than my old 10D. I have wondered if canon are going to upgrade the firmware to bring the colors into a more natural state in camera :-\ |
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Photocamel Master
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From looking at this the DPP seems more saturated with the red
and my problem and the ones I have heard people complain about with the canon sensor is its already too saturated in the reds.[most noticeable on skin tones] Yes I use ACR but tend to leave most the colors on default and if I have a lot of pics with too much red I will drop the red satuartion until I am happy with it and apply that to that batch of images in one go. |
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Feel free to edit any of my photos<br />All comments welcome and appreciated<br />London England<br />Canon 1Ds2<br />I lost faith in religion as a child when I saw a lightning conductor being fitted to the local church. RSPB Member. |
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Vicuna
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I agree dc2, it does look too saturated on this display. I was using my notebook before and it looked right. I use 3 or 4 different computers with different displays and a picture looks right on one, but when I use another it looks wrong. I'm using a front projection DLP which is calibrated very close to D65 now. In a dark room this display is fairly accurate with colors. I guess I shouldn't worry about it so much since it is just a hobby, but these red birds are giving me fits. I had to use the notebook for the DPP because the resolution on this display is 1280 x 720 and DPP won't work on anything less than 768. Thanks again.
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Dromedary
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Remember too that when we see a picture of a bird , not all of us know what colour that bird should be so to some of us it could be a nice picture of an orange bird . It is a "nice capture " of an orange bird until we know it should have been red as you have told us . Hope you come right with the processing , even the greens look better in the second post .
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Dromedary
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A Desmond pointed out above, I don't know what it's *supposed* to look like, but I personally prefer the first post- the second post is, to my eye, an unnaturally high red saturation. That being said, nature has some strange colors...
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Vicuna
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Thanks for the advice guys,
I guess I need to get a calibration program. I agree the images were both oversatured. I deleted the originals and replaced with a copy after turning down the saturation in photoshop -12 on each. Still something about the colors of each that doesn't look quite right to me. That's a good point about not being sure about if a color is right because of variance in nature and also many here may never have seen the actual bird. |
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Dromedary
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If you want to really confues us ask if a picture of a chameleon is the right colour
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