This just in

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by ghopkins

Damn straight! LOL

I like to vent when the venting is good. has anyone discovered why Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize? Was it because he is the President of a country at war? LMAO

C-ya

Hope and Change. More the Hope part right now 'cause not many people I know have seen much Change, at least for the better. But hey, it's still early. With any luck, they'll get their Change just in time to save their house.

[Normie1]

[QUOTE=ghopkins;853918]Interesting comments. Either Obama is to blame for all our misery or he isn't. Make up your mind. I'm counting on you guys to clear this up. Should I hate him becuase of his color? He hasn't been in office long enough for me to do otherwise.
I don't hate the man but I don't agree with the things he done like not allowing the fly over in North Dakota, and things like that saying its religious that he don't want them to fly their. This country was built on what?? In my case color has nothing to do with it

[Mary Robinson]

Personally, IMHO, Obama isn't to blame, we americans are, we let this mess get this far. We've been complacent, as long as it doesn't effect our lives, we pretty much tend to ignore the issues and in doing so we've allowed our rights and freedoms to be trampled. It was expedient to do so, less troubling to our daily pursuits and our self-involvement. And this is not the doing of one man or president, it has been a long time coming, one by one we've let our politicians guile us into believing they are doing the 'right' thing, for the good of all americans. We watch them enact laws and restraints and regulation for the common good, while they opt out of having to obey those laws. We watched them destroy our nation, bit by bit, piece by piece and we re-elected them year after year after year. They cheat, lie and steal and we still re-elect them, so if we americans want to blame someone, perhaps we best look in the mirror, first. Then, lift our heads up and elect some people who might actually have this country's best interests at heart. And we keep electing a new batch until we get to the ones that aren't lying to us, trying to steal from us or cheat us out of rights and freedoms. It's easier to stand and point the finger than it is to actually do something to change the situation, maybe it's time to use that finger to push some new buttons.

[cwhite]

King Obama: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Obama: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Obama: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Barack Hussein Obama, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

[Mechoption]

Originally Posted by cwhite

King Obama: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Obama: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Obama: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Barack Hussein Obama, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Ha ha - nice But don't forget this one:

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month." Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by Mechoption

Ha ha - nice But don't forget this one:

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month." Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq

Uh...yeah. Since the Palestinians have ALWAYS been honest and full of integrity, that's OBVIOUSLY the truth.

Did you really READ that article? Aside from one paragraph of hearsay based on a private conversation (ie not verifiable by independent means), it's nothing more than a list of times when Bush has referenced his faith. It's part of his decision criteria. So what?

Carter was known for his Baptist faith during his Presidency. Why wasn't that a factor?

I find it ironic that faith is considered "bad" for decision making in political circles while social theories such as socialism, communism, etc., are considered accepted frameworks for political decisions. Why? Both ground themselves in fundamentals that a person believes. It's how we make decisions based on what we FEEL is right or wrong.

Would you rather our President make decisions based on current political polls and the media's commentary instead? Oh...wait....that's right. Clinton already did that. Obama doesn't seem to be far behind. Never mind.

[cwhite]

All this just proves one thing-------everybody wants to be KIng!!!

There are so many ways to view all of this, so many paths of thought on people, especially in power.

I find the more one says, the less they actually do.
Politicians have an agenda....who in their right mind would want to be President? Not me.....and who said I'm in my right mind or any mind at all.

How many intellects have been President? How many deep thinkers, people with the insight, talent and personal strength (to take the responsibilites) have been president?

Let's face it, this office has been held up as a prize and only the most morally mallable shall win.

That's not to say they don't have good sides, love little children and animals, don't cheat on their wives and pay their taxes. Not all of them have been intellectually intact and ready to play by the rules. From George Washington till now they have all had problems.

I have more to say but I have to walk the dog. In this house, HE rules.

[Douglas]

You have as much chance of getting a president who doesnt jump from side to side of a fence as you do a weatherman being correct 100% of the time. The first 4 years are spent bowing to the constituants to get re-elected, and the final 4 years (if you make it that far) are spent making sure you dont muck things up for your party for the next election.

[Mechoption]

Originally Posted by brian.austin

when Bush has referenced his faith. It's part of his decision criteria. So what?

So you're not worried that important decisions (or lack thereof) on homosexual marriage, abortion, stem cell research, whether or not to invade another country.... are made based on faith??

I guess as long as your ruler has the same faith as you you're happy

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by Mechoption

So you're not worried that important decisions (or lack thereof) on homosexual marriage, abortion, stem cell research, whether or not to invade another country.... are made based on faith??

I guess as long as your ruler has the same faith as you you're happy

No, I'm not really worried. Very few of those things have an impact on me. Homosexual marriage? Go crazy or don't. I don't care. Just as long as I don't have to pay for it. Abortion? He only ordered that the feds not pay for abortions. Why should I have to pay for someone's abortion? Can't afford the kid? Use a condom. Raped? Have the kid and put it up for adoption. There is a long list of people who want a kid. Stem cell research? He never STOPPED stem cell research, despite all the media misdirection. He merely stopped FEDERAL FUNDING of stem cell research. Again, why should I have to pay for this, especially when after some miracle cure is found for a disease/condition, I'm going to get ripped off for it anyway??

So Obama making similar decisions that happen to be in an opposite direction is okay now? Yet you don't question his ideals on HOW he is making those decisions? How do you know he's not talking to God, too? How do you know he's not consulting his uber-liberal mentors from the 60's and 70's? How do you know he's not pulling out The Communist Manifesto when making decisions?

You don't.

Personally, I'd rather know a person's ethical foundations on decisions, knowing what to expect, than wonder which direction the leader of 300+ million people is going to go with something THIS time.

As for my personal faith, Bush and I aren't even on the same page. But I don't disrespect him because of it. At least he's got it and is proud of it.

[cwhite]

Originally Posted by brian.austin

So Obama making similar decisions that happen to be in an opposite direction is okay now? Yet you don't question his ideals on HOW he is making those decisions? How do you know he's not talking to God, too? How do you know he's not consulting his uber-liberal mentors from the 60's and 70's? How do you know he's not pulling out The Communist Manifesto when making decisions?

You don't.

Personally, I'd rather know a person's ethical foundations on decisions, knowing what to expect, than wonder which direction the leader of 300+ million people is going to go with something THIS time.

As for my personal faith, Bush and I aren't even on the same page. But I don't disrespect him because of it. At least he's got it and is proud of it.

Well, Brian, you said what I couldn't...good.

[Ron65]

Originally Posted by Mechoption

Ha ha - nice But don't forget this one:

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month." Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq

Is Bush still President ? Is that all you liberals have ? Attack a former president ? Too much !

[Douglas]

Originally Posted by Ron65

Is Bush still President ? Is that all you liberals have ? Attack a former president ? Too much !

What can we say. He gave us lots of Ammo.

[cwhite]

Originally Posted by Ron65

Is Bush still President ? Is that all you liberals have ? Attack a former president ? Too much !

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by Douglas

What can we say. He gave us lots of Ammo.

Obviously or the country wouldn't be turning Left so hard right now.

The biggest question I have is how long are you going to keep bringing up Bush as the Source of All That Is Bad?

Seriously here. You've got a liberal President who has a clear majority in BOTH houses of Congress. All of your dreams should be coming true right now. Yet I'm not seeing much that's terribly different from a year ago. Yes, a number of executive orders overturned some policies back in February and March. The "stimulus" stuff isn't really that different from Bush's early recession work, though. Well...except for the inability to clearly show an effect of billions and billions of dollars going...nowhere? Oh...and the sudden control of what used to be private commerce by a federal government.

I'm betting that future hearings will show some pretty negative transactions happening from the stimulus spending and paint the whole thing in a bad light. Kind of like what Katrina did to FEMA. Best of intentions but lousy execution. I wonder who's going to be the scapegoat(s) on that one? Can't blame the Republicans with such a clear "mandate" from the People!

[Douglas]

Right now, I find his biggest flaw to be that he is trying to hard to be a politician and not getting anything done. January 21st came and he was all on fire with signing this and doing that. Running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Someone needs to tell him...'Dude.... 1 issue at a time. Even if your dreams came true and you could put all the legislation in place to fix this country, it will still be years before its felt".

Because hes starting stuff and not finishing it. We need to pull out of Iraq a little quicker. Figure out if we are going to continue in Viet Nam....err Afghanistan. We could win there, but it wouldnt look pretty on the news. But at this point, is it worth more American soldiers lives to find a 70 year old man on a dialysis machine in a cave in mountainous deserts?

Oil is spiking again and even opec is going 'Oil is $80? Really? Wow." But thats due to the dow being up which people think means the economy is doing better. No it just means the people gambling with stocks instead of playing Texas hold 'em are doing better.

Our economy is in a shambles, somewhat. Not all are feeling it, but those are are feeling it hard. Almost 11% unemployment. Foreclosures are still breaking records. The dollar is still dropping and is at $1=1.50Eur.

We need to start working on cleaner energy. Whether you believe in global warming, think its a hoax, or whatever. Pouring that crap into the sky is a bad thing. As is pollution in general that comes with it. Our planet does have finite resources but almost unlimited ability to push out more of our species. You kill of a species or 200 and mess up a few ecosystems, or cutdown something as important as the rainforests, and it will be felt. Could be next week, could be next year, could be August 15th, 2147. But something has to give.

Then theres healthcare. Everyone needs it. Everyone should have it. Doctors, pharm, and insurance companies are raping both the systems and the people. Doctor buys a pill for $2.00 that cost $.02 to make and charges you or your insurance company $20. Insurance company says its not covered, so you have to pay for it. And everyone is walking away with a huge profit, while youre standing there going 'What just happened?"

This stuff took decades to get this f'd up. Its not going to be fixed in 1 or even 2 terms. If its done smartly, maybe by 2020.

[patterfr]

Doctor buys a pill for $2.00 that cost $.02 to make and charges you or your insurance company $20. Insurance company says its not covered, so you have to pay for it. And everyone is walking away with a huge profit, while youre standing there going 'What just happened?"

Where did you get that little bit of ridiculousness?

Why don't you guys look into what Mrs Obama did with her job at the U of Chicago Hospitals when she was placed in charge of handling medical care for the poor. She decided that she'd kick all the poor patients out of the tertiary hospital and called it something like "local empowerment" of the community physicians. Meanwhile her salary tripled. And those poor patients found themselves back in their communities with noone to care for them. THose "fat cat" docs at the U couldn't treat these poor people anymore. Willing to give their years of experience and expertise away for free to these poor people and they were stopped by Mrs Obama herself. And now they're calling themselves the medical care problem solvers to ensure care for all. Good lord, look at her history. What a crock of crap. Don't worry, you won't read about that stuff in the NYTimes or on CNN.

And Douglas, for pete's sake, where did you get the idea that doctors are "scalping" medicines. Never heard anything as far fetched as that. Careful about this Obama plan. Be careful.

[cwhite]

Originally Posted by patterfr

Where did you get that little bit of ridiculousness?

Why don't you guys look into what Mrs Obama did with her job at the U of Chicago Hospitals when she was placed in charge of handling medical care for the poor. She decided that she'd kick all the poor patients out of the tertiary hospital and called it something like "local empowerment" of the community physicians. Meanwhile her salary tripled. And those poor patients found themselves back in their communities with noone to care for them. THose "fat cat" docs at the U couldn't treat these poor people anymore. Willing to give their years of experience and expertise away for free to these poor people and they were stopped by Mrs Obama herself. And now they're calling themselves the medical care problem solvers to ensure care for all. Good lord, look at her history. What a crock of crap. Don't worry, you won't read about that stuff in the NYTimes or on CNN.

And Douglas, for pete's sake, where did you get the idea that doctors are "scalping" medicines. Never heard anything as far fetched as that. Careful about this Obama plan. Be careful.

Fran, I totally agree. Thanks for saying it so precisely. A look into Michele Obama's history is needed to find that she is hand in hand with her husband.

There are secrets we all keep. Remember Laura Bush's hushed up secret of the classmate she killed when she was driving and failed to stop at a stop sign while speeding. She was never held accountable and the boy (a teen) died. he was her classmate.

[gsk]

Originally Posted by patterfr

And Douglas, for pete's sake, where did you get the idea that doctors are "scalping" medicines. Never heard anything as far fetched as that. Careful about this Obama plan. Be careful.

I believe it. Obama himself even said that doctors will not treat a diabetics foot properly so they can get $30, $40, or even $50 thousand to cut the leg off. Those darn doctors are nothing but money grubbing charlatans. Instead of taking the Hippocratic oath, I think they should be taking the Hypocritical oath.

[Douglas]

Originally Posted by patterfr

Where did you get that little bit of ridiculousness?

Why don't you guys look into what Mrs Obama did with her job at the U of Chicago Hospitals when she was placed in charge of handling medical care for the poor. She decided that she'd kick all the poor patients out of the tertiary hospital and called it something like "local empowerment" of the community physicians. Meanwhile her salary tripled. And those poor patients found themselves back in their communities with noone to care for them. THose "fat cat" docs at the U couldn't treat these poor people anymore. Willing to give their years of experience and expertise away for free to these poor people and they were stopped by Mrs Obama herself. And now they're calling themselves the medical care problem solvers to ensure care for all. Good lord, look at her history. What a crock of crap. Don't worry, you won't read about that stuff in the NYTimes or on CNN.

And Douglas, for pete's sake, where did you get the idea that doctors are "scalping" medicines. Never heard anything as far fetched as that. Careful about this Obama plan. Be careful.

Where? Between 2 health insurance companies and an auto insurance company in the PIP unit, Ive worked in medical insurance for close to 10 years. Ive seen a doctor bill the company $250 for something and received the invoice where it said he/she paid $12. Which was the price of the entire shipment. And thats without exageration. And thats not a 1 time thing. I see it a couple times, daily. So its not BS. They do do this. Medical providers do this constancy. They love to over bill, unbundle, inflate the code, etc to get more money out of you.

So im not stating some BS I read somewhere. Im saying what I personally see all day, every day.