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Old 07-17-2017   #21
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Depends on what they think the current market is. ......
...... ................. .. ... ...............

The stabilization piece I'm not sure of how they would
care to play that. Fuji doesn't have it in their mirrorless
bodies, and can't, and Fuji is coming out with top notch
lenses that don't have it either, ... .. ..... .......
Apply your opening remark [about market trending] to your
later remark about Fuji and IBIS. It works. No such thing as
"can't". Word is out that Fuji will meet the demand for IBIS.

Fuji has not leaked any detail, but the "can't" apparently is
true only if Fuji sticks to an 18x24 format. But, since motion
blur is actually rather tiny in size, my imagination sees Fuji
simply shaving about 1mm offa the format ... same as Canon
has been building all along with no huge negative reaction by
the marketplace .... and Canon never offered still-photo IBIS.

You don't hear any squawking about Canon's 1.6X crop factor
vs everyone else's 1.5X. Canon's kit lens has the same FL as
any other brand, and nobody cares that the FF equivalent is
29-88mm instead of 27-83mm ... no big deal. The real "Big
Deal" is "No IBIS" :-(
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Not arguing that IBIS isn't a big deal.... since I'm an Olympus user, IBIS is a big deal to me, or at least a normal thing I expect. I'd think IBIS wouldn't be a big deal if it was only 1-3 stops like Olympus have like 7 years ago when people scoffed at IBIS... but since their IBIS is now 5.5 stops, and 6.5 when coupled with the one Olympus lens that allows "Dual IS"... it is BIG deal...

Now wether it is a big deal to some users, can't speak for them. Obviously, you think that if you are popping out a new mirrorless then it ought to have it, and I'd agree. Sony agreed after a model. But does Nikon?
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Sony α9 is FF, and IBIS (5 stop). Sony provides sensors to Nikon. Has for a long time. If Nikon "can't" do IBIS, it must be because of patent/licensing issues keeping the technology uneconomical with Nikon's production costs. It's not a technical issue. That's for sure.
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I've never seriously considered mirrorless. But the one thing that intrigues me about them is the ability to get adapters to use classic old lenses. You can do that with DLSR's too. . . except Nikon because of the flange to sensor distance. I've bought an adapter to use an old Takumar with Nikon and the cheap glass element in the adapter destroys the whole reason for doing it.I'd assume that would also be an issue with their mirrorless.
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I've never seriously considered mirrorless. But the one thing that
intrigues me about them is the ability to get adapters to use classic
old lenses. ..............

I've bought an adapter to use an old Takumar with Nikon and the
cheap glass element in the adapter destroys the whole reason for
doing it.I'd assume that would also be an issue with their mirrorless.

If Nikon makes an N/F mount live view camera, that problem will
possibly hugely reduce its market appeal. OTOH, vast reserves of
ancient Nikkors will fit it, and thaz at least fully half of all the old
glass anywhere thaz actually worth using.

But hopefully Nikon will follow the Sony model, meaning a shallow
bodied live view camera plus converters to mount the legacy lenses
with their longer flange distance, with full compatibility.

I'm not placing any bets .... none. But if Nikon really does produce
a live view "breakthrough", with APSC format and N/F flange, but
no IBIS .... that should demonstrate that Nikon is unfit to continue
in the photo bidnez. Darwinism will prevail, either way.
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The Nikon 1 AW and 1 V3 mirrorless cameras are no longer available to order.....
The Nikon 1 J5 is only available while supplies last.....

End of that mirrorless line. Better get cracking on this new one.....
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I would bet a really good cup of coffee that Nikon will do as most of the rest have done. Build a mirrorless that requires it's own lens's. This is good business sense in today's market where all standard cameras sales are declining rapidly. Sales are down by double digits in most markets year over year. While Canon has it's printers, and medical divisions which are doing well, to pick up slack Nikon has few options and since they are using Sony sensors they are in a tight corner right now. That's my opinion anyway.
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If they build a new mirrorless body that needs new lenses, say goodbye to Nikon. It better use either the APS-C or FF lenses they have. get Nikon shooters interested in mirrorless, with Nikon. Later, you can make a baby mirrorless, but not sure why they would. APS-C is small enough for Nikon. Sony makes small FF, and has a slim line of lenses. Either sensor size gives Nikon the advantage in lenses out in the wild that need no adapter.

But you never know.
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If they build a new mirrorless body that needs new lenses, say goodbye to Nikon. It better use either the APS-C or FF lenses they have. get Nikon shooters interested in mirrorless, with Nikon. Later, you can make a baby mirrorless, but not sure why they would. APS-C is small enough for Nikon. Sony makes small FF, and has a slim line of lenses. Either sensor size gives Nikon the advantage in lenses out in the wild that need no adapter.

But you never know.

There is another reason the lens's will be different. Current lens' i.e. DSLR onse are built for longer distance to the sensor because of the mirror. That makes it very very difficult to use normal lens's to do so requires a complicated adapter with corrective lens built in and more IQ loss, and more adj and on and on and on. Anyway that it how it was explained to me. It is possible to design a mirrrorless body and put the sensor back far enough so that existing lens; will work, but then you have a camera that is nearly as large as the SLR, with no real gain in functionality. and on and on and on. Nope all new lens' I think!
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I would bet a really good cup of coffee that Nikon will do as most of the rest have done. Build a mirrorless that requires it's own lens's.
Doesn't Canon's mirrorless still use the EOS line of lenses. I remember Canon dropping quite a bit of market share when they dumped the FD/FL mount in favor of EOS.

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If they build a new mirrorless body that needs new lenses, say goodbye to Nikon. It better use either the APS-C or FF lenses they have. get Nikon shooters interested in mirrorless, with Nikon. Later, you can make a baby mirrorless, but not sure why they would. APS-C is small enough for Nikon. Sony makes small FF, and has a slim line of lenses. Either sensor size gives Nikon the advantage in lenses out in the wild that need no adapter.

But you never know.
They already did that with the Nikon 1 system, and now look where it got them.

In a "can't beat 'em, join 'em" move, what if Nikon built a FF mirrorless that was tailored to best use all those old lens mounts (with suitable adapters)? A mirrorless that could take F-mount, or M42, or L39, or Canon FD, or Pentax K mount, ot... Anything.

Well, I just don't see them doing anything innovative, really. Shame. For some reason, I'm reminded of Minolta before Sony acquired them. But who would/could bail out Nikon? Samsung?

Nikon's dependency on a competitor for THE key part of any digital camera has always struck me as a desperate move. That it has ended up as a permanent solution, rather than a temporary one, says a lot to me. Kind of like Burger King selling Big Macs.

What could Nikon do that would at least appear to be innovative? A mirrorless that doesn't "black out" during the exposure? Maybe...

I don't mean to bash Nikon. I've been shooting with Nikon since the early '80s. I would hate to lay waste to my investment in Nikkors. It's bad enough my film cameras lie dormant. Whatever happened to that "digital film" project?


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