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Old 05-16-2010   #1
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Default D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

I came across a strange thing, took pictures at an event and the jpg has less noise than the raw images when viewed in cs5. I only used Raw Camera in CS5, do I need to use NX2 I thought that CS5 raw camera support would handle the file format. I have read that previous versions of raw camera only can read white balance from Nikon and no other settings, is this true in CS5?

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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

After more research I read someone recommend in Lightroom to use camera standard under profile and I tried that in camera raw and it seemed to help but the noise is still there. Is that best practice? Or is there a better profile for the D300 or D300s?
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

The jpg probably has in-camera noise reduction applied. I don't think ACR applies it automatically.

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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

Check under Shooting Menu (second menu down) "long exp. NR" and "High ISO NR"

If you want something that will kick noise in the butt check out imagnomic Noiseware. (it's not the cheapest though...about $50 if I remember right.)
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

You'll have to go to the Details tab in ACR and apply noise reduction yourself. It's excellent noise reduction in the new ACR.

You can copy and paste the setting that works to the other raw files you have.

With the jpegs, Nikon is making the decision about how much NR to apply. With ACR, you're making the decision.
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

The jpg also has more sharpening, more contrast, and more vivid colors than the RAW file does. That's the nature of the beast. JPG = automatically apply settings. RAW = Don't apply automatic settings, I'll do it myself.

The camera profiles in ACR and Lightroom are presets that attempt to apply similar settings to what you would have gotten had you taken it in jpg mode in your camera.
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

Camera does reduce noise in jpg files automatically.
You can do the same in post processing RAW images, but better. And there are other reason to shoot only RAW. Image Quality first that comes to my mind.
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

it should be common sense that raw takes more time but you can get and 90 % of the time will get a better picture or image if you do it yourself with tools ..

the best thing about raw is that things that did go wrong with a camera edit or software edit , can be easier undone in the raw file , provided that you have basic knowledge of the software to open the raw and edit it .

when i need a nef or crw file , i take it from the folder E;\privat\foto's\rawfiles .. select the camera (D50, D80, D70 (still have the nefs form the sold D70) or canon eos 300d , copy a file into the e:\privat\foto's\dump\edit\rawhandeling and leave the original nef or crw intact ..
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Default Re: D300s D300 raw vs jpg in CS5 JPG has less noise

Question.... what is ACR? Thanks, Bill P.
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Question.... what is ACR? Thanks, Bill P.
Adobe Camera RAW. It is the RAW converter included with Adobe Photoshop.
It is also known as just Camera RAW.


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