Best way to learn Photoshop? - Page 3
PhotoCamel: Your friendly photo community, with free discussion forums, digital photography reviews, photo sharing, galleries, downloads, blogs, photography contests, and prizes.
Photos of the Week Photos of the Week
 

Go Back   PhotoCamel - Your Friendly Photography Forum > Tools Of the Trade > Image Editing

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #21
F1 Camel
 
gryphonslair99's Avatar
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas, USA
Posts: 3,631
CamelKarma: 1091466
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

I concur with other posters, unless you are one who can read a book, commit it to memory and perform as written then the best way, at least for me, is to just sit down and use the software. Try every little thing you can think of. Open ever command and subcommand and try them, open ever brush etc and see what they do and how. Once you see how things work you can begin to put the actions together. This along with a good book or tutorials will go a long way. But the tutorial come after you understand the radiometry actions any program can perform.

Same way with computer operating systems and subsystems In my lifetime I have managed to "Bread" window in every possible way up to and including Windows 7. At that point I went mad and have managed to do the same with Apple OS. Back in the day I was an expert at doing a fresh reinstall of windows and all related programs as I was doing it quite often. There is/was a best order to install Microsoft software with a clean install and I had the tricks down from lots of trial and error, but I learned and was the go to guy at work before people called in IT. They called IT when I couldn't fix the problems because I needed and didn't have the administrative password.
__________________
Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals worry about time, masters worry about light.

I can honestly say that there are two most remarkable men in the world today. Michio Kaku is one and I am the other one. Between us we cover all knowledge.

Kaku knows all that can be known....And I know the rest.


"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery. Today?
Today is a gift. That is why we call it the present."

Master Oogway from Kung Fu Panda
gryphonslair99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #22
Llama
 
dkcoats's Avatar
 
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 808
CamelKarma: 9212729
Editing OK?: No
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilsen View Post
If you are willing to do a paid service, I have found Lydia.com to be very useful.

Try the free trial period and see what you think.
Check this out: https://www.howtogeek.com/282718/you...local-library/
__________________
Olympus OM-D E-M1 MkII, OM-D E-M5 MkII, a bunch of lenses and some other stuff.

My PBase galleries
...and SmugMug
...and my book: Just Another Guy With a Camera - Photographs 1968-1976
dkcoats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #23
Bactrian
 
Golem's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,486
CamelKarma: 556233
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

`

Promapper wrote:

"Matt, you are only half right. you are right about
best way to learn is to use it. But you forgot about
the incentive to learn. you need to Delete all other
photo editing software. That way there is no
turning back."


------------------------------------------------------

[replying]

I find that quite reasonable and realistic, and along
a similar line of thought, " another best " way is to
learn "Free PhotoShop" ... which is slightly different
but equally versatile and thus equally daunting, such
that INCENTIVE [as you rightly point out] is needed.

I submit that the incentivizing aspect of Free Photo
Shop is the absolute lack of alternatives. No other
program of such scope is available as open source,
so it's learn it, or pay up ... which in the case of the
current version of Photoshop is "rent-to-never-own".

Important:

Do NOT google "free photoshop" as that will get you
only Adobe trial versions. Google "gimp download"


------------------------------------------

P.S.

One of the "daunting aspects" of Photoshop is its
vast scope and size. Before it became the current
"rent-to-never-own" fiasco, I was a veru proficient
user, quite expert in the parts that were important
to my work and fully ignorant of parts I didn't use.
Every now and again, I'd learn a new aspect cuz
there was a new need. But once you're using part
of a large editor, you get to know its "ways" and
so learning new aspects as need arises is so much
easier than your initial encounters "from scratch".

---------------------------------------------------

P.P.S.

IOW just cuz all that sutff is there doesn't mean a
particular user needs to learn a bunch of useless
options ... meaning "useless to that user". Typically,
dedicated amateurs wanna know all that tricks their
gear and software can perform. But busy working
practitioners don't care. Your photo editor and also
the chip that runs your camera are like a big major
hospital, with EVERY facility. But if I'm an orthopedic
specialist, I shouldn't clutter my world with useless
stuff thaz only for brain surgeons etc etc.

Then there's the feeling that "If I paid for all of it, I
wanna USE all of it". Well, it's not true. Eliminating
more than half of the clutter [oops I mean features]
from your camera's chip would not noticeably reduce
the purchase price ... which mostly represents costs
of marketing and distribution. Same with your editor.
True, lesser editors DO cost less, and some of that is
the costs of support and development. But, a whole
lot of the difference is just market manipulation.


`
Golem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #24
F1 Camel
 
gryphonslair99's Avatar
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas, USA
Posts: 3,631
CamelKarma: 1091466
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

While Gimp is a decent program for someone to start with it's is free for a reason.

I have a multitude of editing programs including Photoshop, LR, Capture One Pro (my personal go to 95% of the time), ACDSee, Acorn, Affinity, Graphic Converter, Luminar, to name a few. Gimp, at least on a mac is not my choice of programs. It's rendering engine is slow, (Latest version of Gimp on High Sierra) it is clunky and counter intuitive to most other editing programs. It's brushes are on par with the average editor, but not as good as Photoshops or Affinity's (in that order). It also has a pretty steep learning curve if you have experience with other editors because of it's counter intuitive design.

One issue that is quite annoying is the lack of ability to access files on external drives. Instead of a standard open box Gimp likes to search for image locations at installation. It does not seek out external drives and so far I have not found a work around other than dragging the file I want to work on, to my iMac and then putting it back. The open box should have the ability to search the full array of storage devices.

I have an external HD for all my photo storage with two additional backups that automatically back up the storage drive.

The biggest thing going for Gimp is it's price. Free is always a pretty good price.
__________________
Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals worry about time, masters worry about light.

I can honestly say that there are two most remarkable men in the world today. Michio Kaku is one and I am the other one. Between us we cover all knowledge.

Kaku knows all that can be known....And I know the rest.


"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery. Today?
Today is a gift. That is why we call it the present."

Master Oogway from Kung Fu Panda
gryphonslair99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1 Week Ago   #25
Llama
 
Gregw's Avatar
 
Location: Santa Monica California
Posts: 792
CamelKarma: 669252
Editing OK?: Ask First
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gryphonslair99 View Post
One issue that is quite annoying is the lack of ability to access files on external drives. Instead of a standard open box Gimp likes to search for image locations at installation. It does not seek out external drives and so far I have not found a work around other than dragging the file I want to work on, to my iMac and then putting it back. The open box should have the ability to search the full array of storage devices.
That's weird. I have no problem getting files directly off external drives from the open menu. That is in Linux so it might be a porting issue with Mac.
Gregw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1 Week Ago   #26
F1 Camel
 
gryphonslair99's Avatar
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas, USA
Posts: 3,631
CamelKarma: 1091466
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregw View Post
That's weird. I have no problem getting files directly off external drives from the open menu. That is in Linux so it might be a porting issue with Mac.
Which is why, while it is a decent program, especially for the price, with many enthusiastic participants, it is not ready for prime time. I suspect that you are correct, that it is a platform issue.
__________________
Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals worry about time, masters worry about light.

I can honestly say that there are two most remarkable men in the world today. Michio Kaku is one and I am the other one. Between us we cover all knowledge.

Kaku knows all that can be known....And I know the rest.


"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery. Today?
Today is a gift. That is why we call it the present."

Master Oogway from Kung Fu Panda
gryphonslair99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1 Week Ago   #27
Llama
 
Gregw's Avatar
 
Location: Santa Monica California
Posts: 792
CamelKarma: 669252
Editing OK?: Ask First
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

Well, it works on my Win10 machine as well. So that just leaves OSX. I wouldn't say it isn't ready for prime time because of that. It may be an issue with how OSX deals with file management.
Gregw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1 Week Ago   #28
Bactrian
 
Golem's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,486
CamelKarma: 556233
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

`




+1

No one should ever deprecate a program,
or a device, for its disagreeableness with
Apple devices. Apple has made their own,
highly proprietary, bed and are obliged to
now lay in it.
Golem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1 Week Ago   #29
F1 Camel
 
gryphonslair99's Avatar
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas, USA
Posts: 3,631
CamelKarma: 1091466
Editing OK?: Yes
Constructive Critique?: Yes
Default Re: Best way to learn Photoshop?

Some of the more glaring things Lacking in Gimp.

Lacks adjustment layers, macros (actions), clipping layers, layer groups, CMYK, HDR and 16-bit per channel color support, custom shapes.

Brushes are not as refined as Photoshops and other similar photo editing programs.

Feature development can be slow. Some highly requested features have been "in the works" for years.

Can be buggy. There is no quality assurance team and it's up to users to report bugs.

Steep Learning curve; documentation is often missing or outdated.

The cluttered interface and multiple floating windows can be off-putting for many users.

Lacks a quality of elegance in the workflow.


No one should ever derail an op's question
for their disagreeableness with the subject
of the question.

As I said, it is a good program and the price is right but IMO is not quite ready for primetime although it can be serviceable for some.


__________________
Members don't see ads in threads. Register for your free account today and become a member of PhotoCamel to open up the site's many benefits and features.
__________________
Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals worry about time, masters worry about light.

I can honestly say that there are two most remarkable men in the world today. Michio Kaku is one and I am the other one. Between us we cover all knowledge.

Kaku knows all that can be known....And I know the rest.


"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery. Today?
Today is a gift. That is why we call it the present."

Master Oogway from Kung Fu Panda
gryphonslair99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

« PhotoCamel - Your Friendly Photography Forum > Tools Of the Trade > Image Editing »


Share this topic:

Thread Tools
Display Modes