Olympus/Panasonic Micro 4/3rds

[Paul Shields]

I agree with this too Mr P (though wouldn't group it with Kodak disc ). I guess we really need some time to pass to see which way this is going, but it does seem more like a strategy to try and grab the P&S users with a more sophisticated system. I don't see it having any positive benefit for the current 4:3rds users at this moment in time.

[moizes]

Originally Posted by Raist3d

Do you know other cameras - for sure- coming into this space with interchangeable lenses? New 4/3rds is a "big mistake" according to you. Is the current "4/3rds" also a big mistake?

What exactly is so bad about the current 4/3rds sensors. Have you used a recent 4/3rds camera?

- Raist

OK, let me clarify a little. Some already existed 4/3 lenses will be effectively vignetted by adaptor and much smaller light opening of new body. Plus unevitable disbalance of the system - heavy lenses for the new body. New dedicated lenses will be unuseable on old system - coz they are dedicated for smaller light opening. How bright new LCD should be for EVERY situation? A lot of questions else just appear... So I said what I said. THX. Dimitri.

[Raist3d]

Originally Posted by moizes

OK, let me clarify a little. Some already existed 4/3 lenses will be effectively vignetted by adaptor and much smaller light opening of new body.

Well the fact you can use existing 4/3rds lenses is just "a bonus" - you would buy new lenses that go with the new system to take advantage of the portability. Like you said, it may very well just be some lenses, doesn't make that option unusable.

Plus unevitable disbalance of the system - heavy lenses for the new body.

We don't know this yet. I mean some of the small Oly lenses are very light. In the past many cameras like the Leica have small lenses that balance well with that small body. I wouldn't really consider this a cons until the products roll out and prove that point.

New dedicated lenses will be unuseable on old system - coz they are dedicated for smaller light opening.

Well that's a given. I don't see that as a cons. If I decided to go and use a Nikon D3 I would have to buy new lenses to take advantage of it. I don't view that as a cons per se of the Nikon D3 format.

How bright new LCD should be for EVERY situation?

But if some of these new cameras have an EVF, that would take care of that, wouldn't it?

A lot of questions else just appear... So I said what I said. THX. Dimitri.

I agree with raising the questions Dimitri, but I don't think raising this questions can lead to conclusive statements until we start seeing the products that roll out. I think you raise valid questions, but I don't think you can cast away the system based on them because they are still exactly that- questions.

- Raist

[moizes]

As you said it is my own conclusive statement - and nothing more. BTW, am glad to be involved into civilized discussion - THX. Dimitri.

[Mr. Pickles]

I wouldn't think there would be any possible vignetting using the larger lenses with an adapter, given that the distance from the back lens element to the sensor is cut in half on the micro bodies....?

[moizes]

One simply can't avoid vignetting on new micro body with some existed lenses due to smaller light opening and shorter distance from lens mount to the sensor. The new design MUST vignettes some already existed 4/3 lenses. THX. Dimitri.

[craftysnapper]

Originally Posted by moizes

One simply can't avoid vignetting on new micro body with some existed lenses due to smaller light opening and shorter distance from lens mount to the sensor. The new design MUST vignettes some already existed 4/3 lenses. THX. Dimitri.

1)Approximately 50% shorter flangeback distance (mount-to-sensor distance)

2) 6mm smaller lens mount outer diameter

1) One presumes with the adaptor original 4/3rds lenses will be the correct distance away to avoid vignetintg.

2) No where have I read that the inner diameter of the lens mount (where it counts) is smaller than it is now only the outer diameter, but of course I may be wrong.

[mcbit]

1) One presumes with the adaptor original 4/3rds lenses will be the correct distance away to avoid vignetintg.

They're going to have to put it the correct distance away to achieve the correct focal range.

[Raist3d]

with the adapter, why would it Vignette?

I think people should just wait for real products and see what happens. Another example- the telecentricity- well Olympus and Leica have more than enough lens know how. I wouldn't be surprised also when they announce their product, that they announce a couple of key technologies at work to make sure m-thirds happen (and I mean by that, patent stuff).

- Raist

[Mr. Pickles]

Sounds like he is arguing against everybody. I doubt seriously that Olympus or Panasonic is going to make the new lenses available for this new standard if they vignetted. Otherwise, it would be suicide. And if it is, it is.

Who said a "big" 12-60 was going to be 12-60 on the micro? All I heard or read was that with an adapter, the 12-60 lens would mount to it. Nobody said what it would be on there. I have a 14-54 for the big body and it isn't a 14-54 on there. It is a 28-108. It all depends on the "standard" you go by.

But from what I have seen and read, there is NO micro body around, or adapter around, so nobody knows nothing is going to be wrong about it...except maybe the whole concept.

[Raist3d]

what has been tried before and challenges that seems to have been seen in other systems. The truth is, this is a radical new direction for Olympus/Panasonic (parallel or not to current 4/3rds), and given that, one would think there are many problems that this direction presents - that we know, they know (example: the EVFs issues, etc), and that given they are pouring major cashola & R&D over it, they would very likely take head on those issues seriously, probably with even new technologies that are "patent pending"/patentable.

So that makes it all the more worth to wait for an official product announcement to see the bottom line (basically agreeing with you).

As an example, I have read about 3 reviewers already mention that though micro four thirds is going to be contrast AF, apparently it will be a much faster contrast AF than what we are used to seeing around.. etc. They haven't said this as a solid confirmation but as a "well I can't say anything cuz it's all NDA but I guess we can expect... "


- Raist

[Mr. Pickles]

Still interesting that Canon and Nikon are forging forward with larger sensors and Olympus/Panasonic are jumping on a smaller alternative to big and large....Should be interesting to see what comes out of it.

[Raist3d]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Still interesting that Canon and Nikon are forging forward with larger sensors and Olympus/Panasonic are jumping on a smaller alternative to big and large....Should be interesting to see what comes out of it.

I really don't see them as "one or the other." I think both are solutions edging with a bias towards a different preference/need/problem. Portability vs higher ISO noise quality. And the issue of supporting your legacy.

- Raist

[Mr. Pickles]

Never said they were solutions to any problems. I guess they think they are solutions to something. Micro area non-existent or "how to get more money" or something. I know why Nikon is pushing full frame now...starts with a C

[Raist3d]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Never said they were solutions to any problems. I guess they think they are solutions to something.

Never said you did. I was just saying how I see them.

Micro area non-existent or "how to get more money" or something. I know why Nikon is pushing full frame now...starts with a C

I think other than full filling "how to get more cash out of you" company directive, they do bring something useful to the table, each of them. My only hope here is that micro four thirds gets good lenses and a pro spec.

- Raist