Fed up - Seeking New Computer Advice

[felix.reichardt]

Originally Posted by Stercus Vultus

Again: no, felix! Those "2 or 3 companies" grandly announced that they would sell PCs running MacOSX, but that was pure wishful thinking, because in actual fact they never did sell them (Apple lawyers made sure they didn't).

To date there have never been machines sold off the shelf to the general public that ran MacOSX that did not carry the Apple brand.

Really: About.com: https://www.pearc.de/

Sorry it's in German - but they are selling obviously off the shelf PC with Mac OSX.

There are also VMWare ISO available and certain solutions running it 'natively' on PC harware.

Are those solution good? No idea - but you CAN run Mac OSX on PC hardware. Another question is why would one want to run Mac OSX on a PC but thats another fruitless discussion ...

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by felix.reichardt

you CAN run Mac OSX on PC hardware.

Me?
No, I can't.
Only tinkering deep geeks and pros can. Not the general public. Not Joe Blow and Jane Doe, the average PC users. 99% of the market (yes, that includes most Mac users).
In the lab almost anything is possible. On the street is another matter entirely.

[TonyK]

Psystar out of Florida was the off the shelf, every day person could buy Mac clone maker.

Psystar Files Bankruptcy, Stalls Apple's Case | TMO Scoop | The Mac Observer

Unauthorized Mac clone maker Psystar has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in Florida, temporarily slowing down Apple's legal case against it. The filing may be an indication that the company's financial backers have pulled out, signaling they see Apple as the clear winner in court....

[Stercus Vultus]

And how many did they actually ship, Tony...?

[TonyK]

They have been in business for several years. They advertised heavily in some Mac magazines. They were big enough to stand up to Apple without folding until very recently.

These posts are not serving the OP any good and are degrading the thread, IMHO. I no longer wish to engage in this discussion.

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by TonyK

They have been in business for several years. They advertised heavily in some Mac magazines. They were big enough to stand up to Apple without folding until very recently.

These posts are not serving the OP any good and are degrading the thread, IMHO. I no longer wish to engage in this discussion.

Since you're avoiding the topic, let me provide the answer for you, Tony: Psystar shipped exactly ZERO MacOSX running PCs!

Psystar did take orders and advance payments, though. But never delivered even ONE machine. And then, conveniently, they went bust.
And not "very recently", but in August last year!

Psystar was very obviously an investment hoax and customer fraud.

[jhawk1000]

I for one can now go to sleep with the definitive answer now on record. Can not wait to take my hands off of my inferior PC for the celestial feel of the MAC.


Mel

[Stercus Vultus]

Welcome to heaven, Mel!

[felix.reichardt]

Originally Posted by jhawk1000

I for one can now go to sleep with the definitive answer now on record. Can not wait to take my hands off of my inferior PC for the celestial feel of the MAC.


Mel

LOL ... and sing the song "I'm dreaming of a white Apple ..."

[Athena]

Thanks so much to everyone for your help. This thread has gone a bit to far off-topic for me to keep following.

If anyone else who would like to offer non brand competitive advice, please private message it to me.

Thanks again for all the excellent info.

~A

[iMedia]

Originally Posted by Athena

I've been having problems with my desktop PC lately - one right after the other. If I manage to actually type this message without it crashing it will be a record tonight. sigh.

If you were going to get a new computer what would you get? Suggestions can be either Apple of PC. I have not ruled out changing platforms, but it's not really my dream as I would then need to replace software too.

Mac,Mac,Mac you will never regret it,we run 6 and one PC only for cross platform testing'
Rgds
Alan

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by Athena

I have not ruled out changing platforms, but it's not really my dream as I would then need to replace software too.

No, Athena: if you get a Mac you can run ALL your Windows software on it (and faster than on a Windows-box). Nothing needs to be replaced.

Looky here: Why your next PC should be a Mac.

[dryadsdad]

It will not run faster and there are many other disadvantages to a Mac. Look, if you want to give advice, then do so from a neutral stance. If you wish to sell or advocate Apple product, there are other venues for you to do so. I've stood by and watched you spout lie upon lie about computers here and held my peace, but this is getting to be too much.

Give it a rest, OK?

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by dryadsdad

It will not run faster and there are many other disadvantages to a Mac. Look, if you want to give advice, then do so from a neutral stance. If you wish to sell or advocate Apple product, there are other venues for you to do so. I've stood by and watched you spout lie upon lie about computers here and held my peace, but this is getting to be too much.

Give it a rest, OK?

"Lie upon lie", dad?
That's quite an accusation, sonny.
Care to put your money where your big mouth is and be specific?

I'll start:
Apple MacBook Pro fastest Windows XP notebook

Now it's your turn to prove the opposite. Good luck.

[V. T. Roberts]

I've used PCs at work (public radio news) for over a decade and find that they work perfectly well. Of course, we have a house full of engineers to untangle things if there's trouble. At home, where I do all my photo stuff, we use Macs, and we love them. If you've never been to an Apple store, go. Go some mid-week evening when the crowds are thinner. Weekends can be zooish. You'll be amazed. They'll listen to your problems and advise you wisely. If you buy their stuff, they'll show you how to use it.I don't know of any other American company that markets its product and serves its customers as effectively as Apple does. But they're expensive. Full disclosure: I own a few shares of Apple stock. I've never worked a day for Apple. Twenty-two years ago, they suckered me into buying an excreble Apple II GS.

[Mike_Rose]

First post and glad to see this discussion since I am in the same boat.

I was thinking about purchasing the Macbook Pro 17 and running the 24" monitor. I figured that I would get the best of both worlds, a desktop and still have portability. I would also keep my PC for my kids, office tasks, and mild web development.

The main concerns I have is that I have to purchase CS4 again, also will the MBP be good enough as a main computer with out issues, (speed vs. a desk top, heat generation, etc.)?

I wish I could afford a Mac Pro also, but I am already up to 5K with tax on the MBP 17 and accessories.

Mike

[tleonhar]

For my little bit here. Try to find a local systems integrator in your neighbourhood and have a custom machine built. The reason I say this is because the typical off the shelf unit that you buy nearly allways takes some shortcuts in hardware quality to be able to sell at a competitive price. Where a local builder, typical one person shop, does not have all the overhead a mass producer has. For an example, my machine I built myself (working with computers for over 40 years), used a top of the line motherboard, Intel quad core processor, 4 gig ov menory, 1.5 terabyte of hard drive, etc. I have about $500 invested, including Vista ultimate.

[JeffDoc]

Originally Posted by JDArt

I've been less than impressed with the durability of the Inspiron line of notebooks. The Dell desktops, however, have not let us down. Like you, we have one from 10 years ago. I'm not crazy about Dell's often proprietary case designs, since I build my own PCs, but for those who just want an off-the-shelf computer, Dell focuses on the right things: performance, price, and noise levels.

I agree fully. We have three Dell PC's in our house as well as a Dell Laptop...and we LOVE all four. They work wonderfully and we've had no problems with any of them....except the Laptop...it came pre-installed from Dell with Vista. I formatted the drive, installed Windows XP and it's been running like a top ever since!

[Athena]

Mike - you are considering essentially what I will likely buy in a few months after we're moved. It would be fun to buy it now so I can travel with it, but I want to establish the relationship that will come from the help I will need changing platforms at the new location. So for the next few months at least it will be me and my PC laptop. I'll keep the desktop and let the kids have a go at it. But first I need to get all my data off of it!

[dryadsdad]

Originally Posted by Mike_Rose

First post and glad to see this discussion since I am in the same boat.

I was thinking about purchasing the Macbook Pro 17 and running the 24" monitor. I figured that I would get the best of both worlds, a desktop and still have portability. I would also keep my PC for my kids, office tasks, and mild web development.

The main concerns I have is that I have to purchase CS4 again, also will the MBP be good enough as a main computer with out issues, (speed vs. a desk top, heat generation, etc.)?

I wish I could afford a Mac Pro also, but I am already up to 5K with tax on the MBP 17 and accessories.

Mike

Earlier I said the same thing and one fellow (at least) said you CAN side grade from Windows to a Mac. I know there is a menu selection in CS 4 to deactivate the product. Presumably, if you deactivated, then you can activate in Mac OS for either no cost or very little.

Had I been able to transfer my licenses from Win to Mac, we may be all Mac today. Because I got (wrong?) information from both companies implying I'd need to buy both products again, I am now in Win 7 and pretty happy with it. We also run a brand new Mac which I enjoy as well.

Probably if given my choice with no issues about software licenses, I'd go Mac over my Win 7 but it's not a run away choice. One thing I like about my Win is that I have a lot more flexibility in some ways.