Fed up - Seeking New Computer Advice

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by jhawk1000

why did you assume that my choice was PC? Do you know what they say about Assume--makes an ass out of you and me.

Where did you get the idea that I 'assume' your choice was/is PC? I never said anything to that effect. So that is a baseless assumption on your part. JD is another matter of course. He's left no doubt as to what he thinks of Macs. But he uses faux arguments to 'justify' that opinion, as I've shown.

If I am a Mac zealot, then JD is the Mac inquisition.

[TonyK]

Very well said. Like the comparison as well.

Originally Posted by dryadsdad

Perhaps we may be of better service to Athena if we discuss the relative merits of various systems.

I will add that one advantage the Mac has and that's exclusivity. We are a hardware group. We like hardware which is why we are photographers rather than something else artistic. The design of the Mac, the feel of it, and the general sense of use is very high end and satisfactory.

When I shot RB67 a friend bought Hassleblad. I said he is wasting his money on that delicate Euro thing & he says he shoots much better with his fine instrument than he would with my clunk of a truck camera. I am still on Windows; he still on Mac. We are still best of friends.

[TonyK]

All,

Let us get back to helping the OP. She has a need and has asked relative merits of one system vs another. We should keep that in mind when responding.

I've used both Windows and OS X systems. My current home system is OS X but not for any technical reasons. It was a knee jerk reaction to Windows Vista and the mess MS made of that.

Most of the software I run can be ran under Windows, or an equal can be found. Windows has color management now and that is no longer an argument of one over the other.

Both are using the same relative hardware (for the most part) thus hardware is no longer a driving consideration.

Security and ease of use are the 2 key areas I think we should focus on. Relative merits aside, I find OS X easier on both counts. But make no mistake, I still practice VERY safe computing; I still run an A/V program (ClamX) to scan my emails and download folders and I still apply patches from Apple and 3rd party providers as needed.

Bottom line is what does one like to use, how much money does one have to make a decision, and how much tinkering will one do to a system. I used to build my own, upgrade on a pretty regular basis and needed the openness of a Windows based PC. Don't do the upgrades like that any more so OS X suits my needs just as well.

Take care,

[TonyK]

Removed as I edited my previous reply

[HighMark Adventures]

Well its been recommended by a few people now and I will recommend it to. I would go with a mac, you have the best of both worlds. You have the options of running windows in either bootcamp or run it in parallel. I run winxp on my macbook pro just fine. Xp can be found real cheap to. Then when you decide to upgrade or purchase new software you can get the mac versions or stay with windows. Your basically getting two for the price of one ........almost

Good luck

[felix.reichardt]

Originally Posted by Stercus Vultus

Because I run MacOSX 99% of the time. With Win7, Vista, XP, and Linux I simply have more choice, don't I? Choice you don't have on a PC. In practice, though, I haven't yet ever actually needed Win7, Vista, XP, or Linux to do something I couldn't do in MacOSX.

Correct: there is no performance penalty when you run Windows (apps) natively (Bootcamp) on a Mac. Quite the contrary in fact: Windows runs faster on Macs than it does on PCs! In benchmark tests the MacBook Pro is acknowledged as "the fastest Windows running laptop on the market"...

Apple MacBook Pro 'fastest Windows XP notebook' ? Register Hardware

Don't believe benchmarks to much I say:

Gizmodo - MacBook Pro Fastest Windows Laptop? Not So Fast - Apple

[felix.reichardt]

Originally Posted by Stercus Vultus

Because I run MacOSX 99% of the time. With Win7, Vista, XP, and Linux I simply have more choice, don't I? Choice you don't have on a PC.

Yes you do have the same choice. The only OS not running on a PC is Mac OSX and that's only because Apple ties its OS to certain hardware hard-coded and by EULA.

You only have the choice because other OS's are not as restrictive as Apple.

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by felix.reichardt

Yes you do have the same choice. The only OS not running on a PC is Mac OSX and that's only because Apple ties its OS to certain hardware hard-coded and by EULA.

You only have the choice because other OS's are not as restrictive as Apple.

Something wrong with you, reichardt? If, on a Mac, I can run all those operating systems, but on a PC I cannot, then I obviously do not have the same choice with a PC. Whatever the underlying reasons.

[jhawk1000]

Stercus has convinced me of the error of my ways. I am burning my PC, cloning a Mac for home and will sin no more.

Mel

PS Just kidding Stercus---I will continue to use both and will like the PC a little more.

[Stercus Vultus]

That's fine, jhawk. Enjoy! Taste is personal. Can't be argued with. But facts are facts, and BS is BS. Whichever way you cut it.

[dryadsdad]

I think by now you see that asking such a question is like asking which is the best color of blue.

[jhawk1000]

Originally Posted by dryadsdad

I think by now you see that asking such a question is like asking which is the best color of blue.

You are so correct. I use both, like both, like one a little better than the other but that is my opinion only. Methinks some (Stercus) work for Mac.

Mel

[felix.reichardt]

Originally Posted by Stercus Vultus

Something wrong with you, reichardt? If, on a Mac, I can run all those operating systems, but on a PC I cannot, then I obviously do not have the same choice with a PC. Whatever the underlying reasons.

Actually some 2 or 3 companies have sold/are selling Mac Clones which where in fact PC's running Mac OSX . So you can, whatever the legal implications. But no, you cannot on every PC.

[D.Rodgers]

Thanks Athena for starting this thread because I'm in the same boat as you.Something in my software has been damaged from my registry cleaner/repair programme and is causing me tons of grief now.

I have been through several computers over the years and have finally decided that a premium dell that's used just for for editing never to been connected to the internet is the way for me, I'll just run my old system for the net and use a stick to transfer images between them (for uploads)

Maybe this would be a solution for you also Athena..

[Athena]

David - you need to be connected to the web to download your software updates... Or I guess you could download them to another machine and then transfer the files over? But that'd be a hassle.

[D.Rodgers]

Originally Posted by Athena

David - you need to be connected to the web to download your software updates... Or I guess you could download them to another machine and then transfer the files over? But that'd be a hassle.

Not to much of a hassle I wouldn't think just adobe and your camera firmware if your're just using it for pp .I really find the new jump drives quite easy.

[Stercus Vultus]

If you run both Mac and Windows, but you'd need a Mac for that, you would only need that one machine...

If my Win7, Vista, or XP system – on my MacBook Pro – gets infected beyond repair, I can simply chuck it in the Trash and create/set up a completely new, clean system in a couple minutes. While that is installing in the background I continue working on MacOSX.

Beats buying a new machine.

[jhawk1000]

Stercus

You have convinced me. I am taking the PC outside and throwing it on the trash heap. I will not use any machine at home since I will have to pay a premium for a Mac but will use my work computer for all my personal stuff. The others might get fired doing that but you see, I am one of the senior partners so I can maybe get the firm to add windows to the mac and have a truly fast computer. Ahh, I see it now---paradise with the mac.

Mel

[Stercus Vultus]

Originally Posted by felix.reichardt

Actually some 2 or 3 companies have sold/are selling Mac Clones which where in fact PC's running Mac OSX . So you can, whatever the legal implications. But no, you cannot on every PC.

Again: no, felix! Those "2 or 3 companies" grandly announced that they would sell PCs running MacOSX, but that was pure wishful thinking, because in actual fact they never did sell them (Apple lawyers made sure they didn't).

To date there have never been machines sold off the shelf to the general public that ran MacOSX that did not carry the Apple brand.

[TonyK]

Actually there was and last week it declared bankruptcy. They were located in Florida and sold white box clones running OS X. Apple has been trying to sue them and the trial was supposed to start soon.