Should I change my 10D for a 30D?

[Lorek]

I am fully happy with my 10D but I am now starting to dream about a 30D (I can't afford the 5D!).
Should I go for it or should I wait one more year and see what improvments the next generation (canon EOS 50D?) will bring?

[JDArt]

I personally found the 10D to be a frustrating camera. I felt the dynamic range was worse than the D60 that came before it, and my unit tended to overexpose if I didn't stay finely tuned to that exposure wheel.

Operationally, the 30D is quite a step up: more fps, faster all around, responsive. Extra megapixels don't hurt, but they're not the main reason to upgrade, IMO.

[Lorek]

Thank you for your input. As you know I am a begginner. The 10D is my first camera so I can't compare. That's probably why I am happy with it!
Does anybody else has someting to tell me?

[dc2]

Depends on how much your expecting the 30D to be better and you will lose a lot of money at the mo . I would wait a little while until the price drops a bit .

[Lorek]

For sure I can wait a while. I also hope the price will go down.

[Kevin Barrett]

Focus on your skills for another year, purchase a nice lens instead and then "maybe" get the 5D successor in 2007.

[JDArt]

I agree with Kevin. You may be a beginner, but you're shooting like a pro. My experience is that getting wrapped up in camera technology only lowers your creativity. Unless you need something specific from the 30D, I'd urge you to stay put.

[Lorek]

Thank you guys! As I said my 10D do its job. I just wanted to please myself. Your advices are helping me a lot. Yes I should maybe wait and see.
When it comes to lenses, right now I have:
- 24-85mm 3.5-4.5. (I do 90% of my pics with it because the room range is good for my studio work but its luminosity is sometime too poor)
- 100 mm macro 2.8 (great lens. i like it but my room (so called "studio") is to small for me to use it often - only in macro)
- 75-300 mm 4-5.6 (I am not happy with this one because the luminosity is crap and without the image stabilizer I make a lot of unsharp photos).
I would like to replace my 24-85 mm and my 75-300 by something better in the (almost) same range but still in reasonnable prices. Any suggestions?

[Max@Home]

Originally Posted by Lorek

I am fully happy with my 10D but I am now starting to dream about a 30D (I can't afford the 5D!).
Should I go for it or should I wait one more year and see what improvments the next generation (canon EOS 50D?) will bring?

Lorek,

If you are fully happy, then do not upgrade.

As JDArt mentionned, the 10D is more difficult to shoot 'exposure-wise' than the 20D and 30D.

In my opinion, experience and memory, the 10D had to be shot much like I shoot slides, VERY carefull not to blow highlights, my 10D was mostly on EC minus 1/3, minus 2/3, standard.

) Meaning all the experience you gain (and already have gained) will make your life a LOT easier when you finally do upgrade.

And at the moment the 30D is still 'highpriced', which makes it an expensive upgrade.

A new/other/better lens could give you more/different shooting-possibilities which would stimulate your creativity more, than upgrading the body, IMHO and experience.

So as long as you stay 'fully happy', stay put )

Kindest regards,

Max@Home

[Max@Home]

Originally Posted by Lorek

Thank you guys! As I said my 10D do its job. I just wanted to please myself. Your advices are helping me a lot. Yes I should maybe wait and see.
When it comes to lenses, right now I have:
- 24-85mm 3.5-4.5. (I do 90% of my pics with it because the room range is good for my studio work but its luminosity is sometime too poor)
- 100 mm macro 2.8 (great lens. i like it but my room (so called "studio") is to small for me to use it often - only in macro)
- 75-300 mm 4-5.6 (I am not happy with this one because the luminosity is crap and without the image stabilizer I make a lot of unsharp photos).
I would like to replace my 24-85 mm and my 75-300 by something better in the (almost) same range but still in reasonnable prices. Any suggestions?

Lorek,

When you write 'luminosity of the lens' you mean the 'speed', the max. aperture, F-number?

Lens suggestions:

replacing 24-85 with 'something faster': Canon 24-70F2.8L (expensive!) or Sigma 24-70F2.8 APO, or Tamron 28-75F2.8 XR DI

replacing 100F2.8Macro with 'something still Macro but shorter': was inclined to say Canon EF-S 60mm Macro, but EF-S won't fit a 10D )... or :-(( ...

I do not know of any 3rd party 60-75 mm Macro lens, and do NOT advise the Canon EF50...

replacing 75-300: in this range there are very few 'affordable' faster lenses, but you might like the new 70-300IS, a true improvement IQ-wise over the older 75-300(IS AND non-IS), it's latest generation IS is really good, and will help a lot against (your) motion blurr, the subject has to 'stay put' though...

...my €0.02 worth...

Kindest regards,

Max@Home

[Lorek]

Originally Posted by Max@Home

Lorek,

When you write 'luminosity of the lens' you mean the 'speed', the max. aperture, F-number?

Lens suggestions:

replacing 24-85 with 'something faster': Canon 24-70F2.8L (expensive!) or Sigma 24-70F2.8 APO, or Tamron 28-75F2.8 XR DI

replacing 100F2.8Macro with 'something still Macro but shorter': was inclined to say Canon EF-S 60mm Macro, but EF-S won't fit a 10D )... or :-(( ...

I do not know of any 3rd party 60-75 mm Macro lens, and do NOT advise the Canon EF50...

replacing 75-300: in this range there are very few 'affordable' faster lenses, but you might like the new 70-300IS, a true improvement IQ-wise over the older 75-300(IS AND non-IS), it's latest generation IS is really good, and will help a lot against (your) motion blurr, the subject has to 'stay put' though...

...my €0.02 worth...

Kindest regards,

Max@Home

Thank you Max
Yes my low luminosity I mean the max. aperture, F-number (sorry, since I have learned everyting I know about photo on my own over the last 2 years only I may irritate some people when not using the approriate terms. Please correct me when I make mistakes).
I tought about the Canon 24-70F2.8L it looks good but yes it is expensive. I don't know about the Sigma 24-70F2.8 APO, or Tamron 28-75F2.8 XR DI. are they good too? No compatibility problems with a canon body?
To replace my 75-300 mm I was also thinking of the new 70-300IS or maybe the 100-400mm but I con't find any honest/fair comments about this lens. Do you know it?

[Kevin Barrett]

I can attest that not only is the Tamron 28-75F2.8 XR DI, but it is great! Very sharp, and not too heavy.
The new 70-300 IS seems to perform well in benchmarks, the 100-400 IS is a lens that many cannot do without. Very flexible and optically quite good. However, the 100-400 is priced considerably higher than the 70-300 IS, but it is an altogether different animal.

[lordarka]

Originally Posted by Lorek

I am fully happy with my 10D but I am now starting to dream about a 30D (I can't afford the 5D!).
Should I go for it or should I wait one more year and see what improvments the next generation (canon EOS 50D?) will bring?

Honestly, the 10D is a camera that drove me nuts. Even as someone new to digital, I could see that the 10D was a very immature product. I expected that, when moving up from a P&S to a dSLR, that I would once again enjoy the benefits of my film SLR (reasonable AF, fast response time, optical viewfinder, etc), but the 10D brought those hopes to a swift end. Normally, I advise people to avoid buying the latest and greatest digital cameras, but in the case of the awful 10D, I think anyone could appreciate and benefit from the operational transparency of the 10D's successor cameras, the 20D and the 30D.

The 10D is slow and unresponsive (3s startup, and no image review while the buffer offloads), the autofocus is only somewhat accurate, and the high ISO performance does not compare favorably to the 20D/30D. Further, the battery life on the newer cameras is far far better, and flash exposure consistency issues have also been largely resolved via ETTL2. My only real criticisms of the 20D are a lack of spot metering, and a dim viewfinder; it appears that the 30D remedies the spot-meter oversight. As for viewfinder.. well, I took the more expensive option of upgrading the 10D to the 1D Mark II (before the 20D became available), and that upgrade pretty much resolved all of my problems with the 10D while giving me even more shooting flexibility. However, I shoot a 20D as a companion to the 1D, and I really like it. Even my SD600 point-and-shoot is more responsive than the 10D!

I would suggest that you go for it. The common refrain among SLR users is 'buy glass and use the bodies you have,' but this ignores the very real benefits that a well designed and engineered camera body can have on your shooting technique and workflow. You won't regret the 30D upgrade; you can think about adding some faster primes or better zoom lenses somewhere down the line.

[JDArt]

Well, lordarka, I didn't say the 10D was awful because I've seen lots of really great shots from that camera--including, recently, several shots in the Smithsonian Institute in D.C. that made it into a Best of 2004 Nature series.

However, for me it was awful. I really hated it and got rid of it as soon as I could. The 20D was a vast improvement, I thought. But again, I thought my 10D experience said more about me than the camera.

[Lorek]

Thank you guys. I do appreciate a lot your imputs! As I said, I have nothing to compare my 10D with so your experience sharing is very good to me!

[StinkyDaddy]

Hey y'all,
I'm new here.

I've been pondering the same question, and I've pretty much decided to hang with the 10D, because it does what I need it to do. Yes there are faster cars and bigger trucks, but the old clunker gets me where I need to go.
Here's a link I found really helpful, it's SI's recommended settings for the 10D. Changing the auto-off to 30 mins is the real gem. Having the camera on for 30 mins really takes alot of the pain out of the slow startup. I also like having focus linked to the * button.

Here's the link.
http://www.siphoto.com/?canon10D.inc

Have Fun,
Wm.

[dc2]

Originally Posted by StinkyDaddy

Hey y'all,
I'm new here.

I've been pondering the same question, and I've pretty much decided to hang with the 10D, because it does what I need it to do. Yes there are faster cars and bigger trucks, but the old clunker gets me where I need to go.
Here's a link I found really helpful, it's SI's recommended settings for the 10D. Changing the auto-off to 30 mins is the real gem. Having the camera on for 30 mins really takes alot of the pain out of the slow startup. I also like having focus linked to the * button.

Here's the link.
http://www.siphoto.com/?canon10D.inc

Have Fun,
Wm.

Welcome aboard . Have a karma for a welcome and the link

[Striderxl]

Go with the lenses for now.I am also new to all of this and have learned the the lenses are just as important as the camera,if not more.I have seen some of your pics and they are very nice,so go for a better lens.I agree with the 24-70 2.8 and I am thinking of getting this lens myself to replace my kit lens.I am also looking at the sigmas for right now.I also agree with at least going to the 70-300IS canon as a minimum upgrade (as I am also looking at that lens right now),but I am also looking at the Sigma 100-300 f4.I have been reading about it and it seems to be one of the sharpest lenses out there right now and it isnt badly priced($899 in US about the same price as the 24-70 sigma and the 70-300 canon IS).As for the camera if you wait you should be able to get a good deal on a 20d soon or a good sale price on the 30d.I got my 20D for a really great price at Best Buy with a mall sale(20% off and the $100 rebate just over a year ago).

Heres a link to a reviews of the 100-300 -
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...00_4/index.htm

Good Luck
Charlie

[Lorek]

thank you all! You are cool!