5D vs ??5Dll

[gsk]

I am debating about buying a 5D and not waiting for the ??5Dll. I am not concerned about cost between the 2 cameras and I don't shoot action. I know the new model will have more gadgets but, what I am questioning, is what the new model's IQ will be like with putting more pixel density into the new sensor. The 5D now seems to have hit a sweet spot as far as pixel density goes which gives the great IQ that seems to be the standard that all other cameras are compared to. Yes the 5D is a old camera but, how many think that the new camera will be less in IQ and high iso clarity as compared to the original due to increasing megapixels. I another words, do you think canon may actually make the 5Dll worse by trying to "guild the lilly"? Am I totally off base on this? I know the other "gadgets" will be great but, I am still concerned about messing with the good IQ the original has.

[swampler]

Of course, no one knows what the 5DII will be, if there even is one. I would expect the IQ to be the same or better on a newer version, plus the benefit of Digic III (or IV), and whatever other bells and whistles comes on it.

Of course, if you need a camera now, then you shouldn't wait because the body will always be replaced by a new and better body.

[gsk]

I just ask this because I believe it was in this forum where I read that the 1D owners (hopefully they will correct me if I am wrong) were stating that the 5D still had less noise at high iso than their 1Dlll's. It wasn't by a large margin but, it was being seen. This got me to thinking that maybe the old 5D might just be better than a new megapixel packed sensor 5Dll. Yes all the new "bells and whistles" will be nice but what good will they be if the new pixel density sucks. Like I said, I may be totally off base on this and thus posed the question.

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by gsk

I just ask this because I believe it was in this forum where I read that the 1D owners (hopefully they will correct me if I am wrong) were stating that the 5D still had less noise at high iso than their 1Dlll's. It wasn't by a large margin but, it was being seen. This got me to thinking that maybe the old 5D might just be better than a new megapixel packed sensor 5Dll. Yes all the new "bells and whistles" will be nice but what good will they be if the new pixel density sucks. Like I said, I may be totally off base on this and thus posed the question.

Apples to oranges. The 5D is a FULL frame sensor. The 1D series is a 1.3x crop sensor.

And even then, depending on who said it, I'd take it with a grain of salt without side-by-side comparisons in identical conditions. Some people have more money than brains with some of this stuff.

[evoryware]

Originally Posted by gsk

is what the new model's IQ will be like with putting more pixel density into the new sensor. The 5D now seems to have hit a sweet spot as far as pixel density goes which gives the great IQ that seems to be the standard that all other cameras are compared to. Yes the 5D is a old camera but, how many think that the new camera will be less in IQ and high iso clarity as compared to the original due to increasing megapixels. I another words, do you think canon may actually make the 5Dll worse by trying to "guild the lilly"? Am I totally off base on this? I know the other "gadgets" will be great but, I am still concerned about messing with the good IQ the original has.

I would expect the next version, if they ever replace it, to be more robust in every facet. Apparently they are taking their time so hopefully they will get it right.

[gryphonslair99]

brian.austin;451137: Apples to oranges. The 5D is a FULL frame sensor. The 1D series is a 1.3x crop sensor.

FYI. 1Ds MIII is Full Frame. Apples to Apples.

And even then, depending on who said it, I'd take it with a grain of salt without side-by-side comparisons in identical conditions. Some people have more money than brains with some of this stuff.

Yep. Only real way of telling.

[Mr. Pickles]

If it was stated as a 1Ds MkIII, then you are right. Otherwise, not so. I don't think it was stated as one camera. More like a series.

If people compare it to the 1.3 cropped version sensor, then part of the problem is the pixel density, more correctly stated as the distance between the pixels, and how large the pixels are. This is one factor that could make more or less noise. Other things are the actual processor that looks at the pixel data, and massages it before writing.

Still, the 5D has always been a very good camera, and though it seems long in the tooth by todays standards of "need a new model every year or two", it is still a very good tool. You can't compare it to a body that isn't even announced though.

I would doubt that any new 5D replacement would be worse in IQ. Noise is really an over-rated thing nowadays, in my opinion. I don't know what the people who demand noise-free iso3200 images did one, two, five, or 20 years ago....There seems to be a huge number of people who didn't take pictures because of it though, and they probably won't even if they get what they think they want.

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by gryphonslair99

FYI. 1Ds MIII is Full Frame. Apples to Apples.

The 1Ds series has not been mentioned prior to your post. The 1D series was mentioned, though. Still apples to oranges since those two lines are considerably different in sensor technology.

[gryphonslair99]

Originally Posted by brian.austin

The 1Ds series has not been mentioned prior to your post. The 1D series was mentioned, though. Still apples to oranges since those two lines are considerably different in sensor technology.

The EOS-1 is the series for Canon's only Pro line of cameras. The D or Ds is a model differentiation between the full frame and 1.3 crop frame body. The I, II, IIn, III indicate the most current version of that model. If you are talking about a Canon Digital Pro body series you are talking all EOS-1 digitals. If you are speaking about the 1D models then you are correct, they are 1.3 crop sensors.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you would make up your mind as to whether you are speaking of a series of cameras or a particular model.

[swampler]

Originally Posted by gsk

were stating that the 5D still had less noise at high iso than their 1Dlll's.

Originally Posted by gryphonslair99

If you are speaking about the 1D models then you are correct, they are 1.3 crop sensors.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you would make up your mind as to whether you are speaking of a series of cameras or a particular model.

The OP stated clearly the 1DIII as quoted above, not the 1Ds that was later brought up by yourself. I consider the 1D series a subset of the 1 series cameras, the ones with the 1.3x crop. Not sure what the confusion is?

[gsk]

For clarification, when I said 1Dlll's I meant the D series lll's( 1Dmklll and 1Dsmklll). I appologize for the confusion.

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by gryphonslair99

Perhaps it would be helpful if you would make up your mind as to whether you are speaking of a series of cameras or a particular model.

Given the context of the topic, speaking of the SERIES of cameras would have been inappropriate, since the 1-series has both cropped and full frame sensors. And, given that the 5D is a full frame sensor, comparing it to a 1DIII (as noted in several earlier posts) is not an apples-to-apples comparison. Hence my clarification.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you read the thread, comprehended the meanings of the words, and quit assuming things that aren't there.

[brian.austin]

Originally Posted by gsk

For clarification, when I said 1Dlll's I meant the D series lll's( 1Dmklll and 1Dsmklll). I appologize for the confusion.

Then, as I stated earlier, you need to consider the sensor differences between the two models. They are not both full frame sensors.

[aam1234]

Originally Posted by brian.austin

Some people have more money than brains with some of this stuff.

And others are so obsessed with technical stuff that they lose common sense with some of these things.

[trentchau]

This is all speculation, but if canon wanted to they could release an updated Mark IIds sensor as the 5DII.

Would be neat.

Take a MarkIIds sensor. 16.7 megapixel, add digic III, add 14 dac, add the improvements that canon has done with their photosites. Make it iso 50~6400 normal, and 25-25600 boost. 3.5 fps, 3" vga screen that's actual