Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi - PhotoCamel

Max@Home · 01-24-2008

Announced today:

Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi:

12.2 megapixel CMOS sensor
SD/SDHC memorycards
Larger viewfinder
Live view mode, including both Phase-detect (Mirror Down-Up) and Contrast-detect (sensor) AF
Improved 9-point AF system with F2.8 sensitive centerpoint
Spot metering
3.0" LCD monitor
Redesigned menus (including My Menu)
Slightly redesigned info display
Continuous shooting at 3.5fps for up to 53 JPEG (6 RAW)
ISO setting displays in viewfinder and new ISO button
New, larger, higher capacity battery and new battery grip (BG-E5)
14 bit A/D converter and processing
Highlight Tone Priority and Auto Lighting Optimiser (boosts shadows after shooting)

...on paper a nice upgrade, hands-on experience expected next Monday, images and a hands-on impression hopefully next Tuesday

...€0.02...

Kindest regards!

Max@Home

400d · 01-24-2008

And I just bought my XTi a few weeks ago! ARGH ....

Max@Home · 01-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by 400d

And I just bought my XTi a few weeks ago! ARGH ....

...well: it didn't stop working overnight, did it ??

New bodies will be announced from time to time, since you are a 'late adapter' you probably got a very decent price compared to those who were 'launching customers', so part of the 'gettin' old in the teeth' was countered by a lower price, see also the EOS 5D, new at launch (08-2005) $/€ 3250, now, nearing 30 months later (02-2008 ) it was shortly available for less than $ 1700

if you played the rebates-festival nice

...just *my* €0.02...

Kindest regards!

Max@Home

400d · 01-24-2008

You have a point Max! I got the 400d for a decent price, and it still works just fine! I just have to learn to use it proper;y (hence one of the reason's I'm on the camel!!)

notsotechie · 01-24-2008

yes I just took a look at DP Preview.
sound interesting as using the newer processer digi !!!
so it should bring up the bar closer to Mark !!! maybe Im worng

Jason Hermann · 01-24-2008

Certainly does sound good on paper!!! I wonder what the price point will be??

Best,
Jay

evoryware · 01-24-2008

Probably $799 body only.
I remember the 400D came out right after I purchased the 350 so I sold the 350 and bought the 400. I'll skip this upgrade for now, but it does look nice.

cyclohexane · 01-24-2008

Looks like a real winner here.

DPReview linkage:
Canon EOS 450D / Digital Rebel XSi: Digital Photography Review
Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi brief hands-on: Digital Photography Review
Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi: what's changed: Digital Photography Review

Unfortunately, my friend who used to get every Rebel/XXXD body switched back to Pentax, so I probably won't be seeing this one any time soon.

JDArt · 01-24-2008

The lcd on that thing eats the back of the camera. I wonder whether you can use the flash slot to play back DVDs?

I've used one of the predecessors of this model and, honestly, I was not that impressed.

aam1234 · 01-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyclohexane

Looks like a real winner here.

That's what I thought too. So much so that I'm re-thinking my upgrade path. Damn Canon, thought I was set with the 5D line.

Mike79 · 01-24-2008

from what I understand the 400d with continue for some time still, and the 450D will not be in the market place till April.

Will85 · 01-25-2008

From the test Image I have seen at iso 400 it does look a bit noisy but this is an entry level dslr remember its not on par with the 40d and 5d in my opinion! also one of the test shots was taken with a 400 2.8 haha not your average kit lens

jfrancho · 01-25-2008

Quote:

Larger viewfinder
ISO setting displays in viewfinder and new ISO button
New, larger, higher capacity battery
14 bit A/D converter and processing

These are all big improvements on an already very good entry DSLR.

Jason Hermann · 01-25-2008

Owning the 400d I can confirm how noisy it is comapred to the 40D. It's incredible noisy in comparision. I would imagine with even more Meaga-pixal, it would be even harder to keep the noise down.

Best,
Jay

Max@Home · 01-25-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worm324

Owning the 400d I can confirm how noisy it is comapred to the 40D. It's incredible noisy in comparision. I would imagine with even more Meaga-pixal, it would be even harder to keep the noise down.

...the idea is, that the newer DIGIC III processor can handle a bit more noise from the new sensor with smaller pixels and more (12.2) MP, giving effectively the same noiselevels as the 10MP sensor in combination with a DIGIC II processor...

...time (& tests

) will tell...

...€0.02...

Kindest regards!

Max@Home

evoryware · 01-25-2008

My 400D handles ISO1600 fairly well when properly exposed. I'd expect it should be fine with a new processor and all. Can't wait to start usin my 40D though!

Jason Hermann · 01-25-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by evoryware

My 400D handles ISO1600 fairly well when properly exposed. I'd expect it should be fine with a new processor and all. Can't wait to start usin my 40D though!

Just wait to you see how much less noise the 40 has

Jason Hermann · 01-25-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max@Home

...the idea is, that the newer DIGIC III processor can handle a bit more noise from the new sensor with smaller pixels and more (12.2) MP, giving effectively the same noiselevels as the 10MP sensor in combination with a DIGIC II processor...

Well the 40d has the Digic 3 processer, and they still added some specail lens coating to the pixals on the sensor chip. Pretty much making it a differnt sensor, but based off of the 400d. That leads me to believe the digic 3 could'nt do the job on it's own

But again, technogly gets better every day so.....

Best,
Jay

Robert · 01-26-2008

Here is what Big Bro has to say:
About Canon: Press Room > Press Release

PhotoDim · 01-27-2008

So is this new XSi going to be better than the 40D?

01-24-2008	#1
Max@Home Photocamel Master Location: Castricum, The Netherlands Posts: 6,674 CamelKarma: 6865 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi Announced today: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi: 12.2 megapixel CMOS sensor SD/SDHC memorycards Larger viewfinder Live view mode, including both Phase-detect (Mirror Down-Up) and Contrast-detect (sensor) AF Improved 9-point AF system with F2.8 sensitive centerpoint Spot metering 3.0" LCD monitor Redesigned menus (including My Menu) Slightly redesigned info display Continuous shooting at 3.5fps for up to 53 JPEG (6 RAW) ISO setting displays in viewfinder and new ISO button New, larger, higher capacity battery and new battery grip (BG-E5) 14 bit A/D converter and processing Highlight Tone Priority and Auto Lighting Optimiser (boosts shadows after shooting) ...on paper a nice upgrade, hands-on experience expected next Monday, images and a hands-on impression hopefully next Tuesday ...€0.02... Kindest regards! Max@Home __________________ Members don't see ads in threads. Register your free account today and become a member on PhotoCamel - Your Friendly Photo Forum, gaining access to posting privileges, contests, free plug-ins and other downloads, unlimited online storage for your photographs, reviews, free marketplace listings, and much more.
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01-24-2008	#2
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01-24-2008	#4
400d Alpaca Location: Whitby, Ontario Canada Posts: 18 CamelKarma: 29 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi You have a point Max! I got the 400d for a decent price, and it still works just fine! I just have to learn to use it proper;y (hence one of the reason's I'm on the camel!!)
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01-24-2008	#5
notsotechie Dromedary Location: Calgary-Alberta Posts: 1,715 CamelKarma: 669 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi yes I just took a look at DP Preview. sound interesting as using the newer processer digi !!! so it should bring up the bar closer to Mark !!! maybe Im worng
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01-24-2008	#6
Jason Hermann PhotoCamel Supporter Photocamel Master Location: NY, USA Posts: 9,785 CamelKarma: 23105 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi Certainly does sound good on paper!!! I wonder what the price point will be?? Best, Jay
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01-24-2008	#7
evoryware Guanaco Location: Harlem, NYC Posts: 357 CamelKarma: 153 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi Probably $799 body only. I remember the 400D came out right after I purchased the 350 so I sold the 350 and bought the 400. I'll skip this upgrade for now, but it does look nice.

01-24-2008	#8
cyclohexane PhotoCamel Supporter Photocamel Master Location: SF Bay Area or Los Angeles, California Posts: 5,438 CamelKarma: 1642 Editing OK?: Ask first Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi Looks like a real winner here. DPReview linkage: Canon EOS 450D / Digital Rebel XSi: Digital Photography Review Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi brief hands-on: Digital Photography Review Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi: what's changed: Digital Photography Review Unfortunately, my friend who used to get every Rebel/XXXD body switched back to Pentax, so I probably won't be seeing this one any time soon.
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01-24-2008	#9
JDArt PhotoCamel Supporter Camel Breath Location: Far out, man Posts: 16,957 CamelKarma: 6996 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi The lcd on that thing eats the back of the camera. I wonder whether you can use the flash slot to play back DVDs? I've used one of the predecessors of this model and, honestly, I was not that impressed.
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01-24-2008	#11
Mike79 Alpaca Posts: 12 CamelKarma: 17 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi from what I understand the 400d with continue for some time still, and the 450D will not be in the market place till April.
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01-25-2008	#12
Will85 Vicuna Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 121 CamelKarma: 22 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi From the test Image I have seen at iso 400 it does look a bit noisy but this is an entry level dslr remember its not on par with the 40d and 5d in my opinion! also one of the test shots was taken with a 400 2.8 haha not your average kit lens
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01-25-2008	#14
Jason Hermann PhotoCamel Supporter Photocamel Master Location: NY, USA Posts: 9,785 CamelKarma: 23105 Editing OK?: Yes Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi Owning the 400d I can confirm how noisy it is comapred to the 40D. It's incredible noisy in comparision. I would imagine with even more Meaga-pixal, it would be even harder to keep the noise down. Best, Jay
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01-25-2008	#16
evoryware Guanaco Location: Harlem, NYC Posts: 357 CamelKarma: 153 Gallery \| Blog	Re: Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi My 400D handles ISO1600 fairly well when properly exposed. I'd expect it should be fine with a new processor and all. Can't wait to start usin my 40D though!

01-26-2008	#19
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