For Tixeon

[nldunne]

T W

My thanks for the most gracious words. They are much appreciated. I will definitely KEEP AT IT as you graciously encourage.

My thanks again for the kind words and visiting. Talk soon.

[nldunne]

T W

I did this one by working on Anne's Blue outfit - which is about Mid Grey - as you suggested. With the Gray Scale to match the Gray in the Blue area - in the b/w matching area, the match worked well. It turned out to be about Value 3 or so on the G S/V F Card. I UP CLICKED about 4 or 5 clicks.

I used 300 dpi @ 3600 X 2700 pixels on my work file.

It is unfortunate the fellow doing the image - missed the fellow walking through the image.

My thanks for the suggestion.

[gaopa2]

Norm, those are fine b&w conversions! You really have a system for getting it right! Well done! Cheers, Bill P.

[nldunne]

My thanks for your most gracious words. They are appreciated.

[nldunne]

T W

This is an old image that I tried with the Gray Scale technique. I balanced the white shirt and skin on the left arm very well matching the grey tones.

[nldunne]

T W

This one is interesting. I based my Gray Match on the White of the Overhead Light. After all, digi's. are calibrated on White.

[Tixeon]

Norm; White (color) balancing the light source itself is an excellent method & works for B&W & color. Good call.............tw

[nldunne]

My thanks for the kind words, T W. They are apprecliated.

[Tixeon]

Norm; I just checked something. Your B&W big light looks a little gray because it registers a brightness of 223. Pure white is 250-255. Bringing the light up to 250+ really brightens the highlights of the whole image without making it look too contrasty. Of course your monitor & mine are probably set different (preference) from each other & you might be seeing pure white where I see very light gray. The histogram is the only sure way to know when a tone reaches a value of white or black. Hope this helps in some way or other.

In my opinion (for what it's worth) bright lights at night do look real bright............tw

[nldunne]

T W

I purposely gave the white of the light a VALUE 8 as most whites - lights and clothes - register that VALUE on Painting Reproductions with the GRAY SCALE CARD when in b/w check and match.

I prefer to have it slightly darker so as to not draw one's eyes to that and miss the rest of the image as often happens witlh bright lights. Maybe I could give it VALUE 9, but I think it suits VALUE 8 when the market is fairly dark in that area anyway.

I have been checking painting reproductions well now to see how colors and tones match my GRAY SCALE CARD - both in in b/w - and have learned quite a bit about what each color and tone gives under certain light levels.

I hope that helps.

[nldunne]

T W

As our light was quite low, I gave the brlighltest part of the snow a VALUE 8 to keep the dull weather as it was on this one.

We cannot have the brightest snow looking like fwhite bond paper on a cloudless July 4 or similar.

[nldunne]

T W

Like the scene at the market, I tried an outside night image to balance the white in a sign to a VALUE in my GRAY SCALE CARD.

This time I used a very small white lit sign - just above the car with the tail lights on - as my 'target'. That was given a VALUE 8 - to keep it from overpowering the scene - in my b/w match. We also have to consider that light falls off the further we are away from it - in this case a city block.

[Tixeon]

Originally Posted by nldunne

T W

I purposely gave the white of the light a VALUE 8 as most whites - lights and clothes - register that VALUE on Painting Reproductions with the GRAY SCALE CARD when in b/w check and match.

I prefer to have it slightly darker so as to not draw one's eyes to that and miss the rest of the image as often happens witlh bright lights. Maybe I could give it VALUE 9, but I think it suits VALUE 8 when the market is fairly dark in that area anyway.

I have been checking painting reproductions well now to see how colors and tones match my GRAY SCALE CARD - both in in b/w - and have learned quite a bit about what each color and tone gives under certain light levels.



I hope that helps.

Norm; Being that you purposefully set the very bright parts a little lower than pure white, then all is well. You achieved what you set out to do. It sounds like your monitor is calibrated well. Oh, by the way, are you using a CRT or LCD type monitor? Reason I ask is that most LCD's appear more contrasty than tube type CRT's such as my Trinitron. This usually makes the whites & near whites appear much brighter than they really are. Like you use your scale, I use the histogram (numbers + visual) highlight, midtone & shadow sliders as related to the Zone System. Thankfully each of our systems work well.

My apologies for the unnecessary suggested corrections...........tw

[nldunne]

T W

We are just in the door from Sunday services.

Anyway - I have a VIEWSONIC 17 round screen. It is a commercial screen that was put out when new screens were being bouglht - and as my earlier one broke down - I took this - a few years ago now.

I am really enjoying keeping an eye on my WHITES. Since I started to balance my WHITES (in my b/w matching process) with my GRAY SCALE, I have paid closer attention to how bright my WHITES are - in cam and on here. Also, working with my WHITES seem to give me better skin tones as well - on my fingers.

This one I used the white of the bottom of the balcony railing as my WHITE for matching in the b/w match.

Have a agood week. No problems about the suggestions.

[nldunne]

T W

We were sitting in the Front Room and a dull light was touching Anne from the Dining Room. With the help of the Gray Scale Card and a Magnifying Glass, I worked on the WHITE of her Shirt Collar to bring this out.

I kept texture in her clothes quite decently. Her face has a bit of the dark look like a Rembrandt or similar on my screen. I could have used a WHITE cloth to touch up the shadow side, but left it as is.

[nldunne]

T W

Here is an example of using the trail marker light as my gray match base. When I turned the image into b/w in HUE/SATURATION, I found it turned to white.

[nldunne]

T W

This 'grab' image was done - at lunch - at the shoppling center. I introduced a pad of white paper ( as my gray match point) - and later cropped out.

One thing I like here is the accuracy of the skin on her fingers and such. Also, the white of the straw.

If I no white tone is in the image, I am keeping a pure white pad of paper (for notes as well) to introduce for matching and cropping from the final version .

I was so concentrating on her, that I did not see the white above her, but it turned out well in any case - for no flash and room lights only.

[Tixeon]

Originally Posted by nldunne

T W

This 'grab' image was done - at lunch - at the shoppling center. I introduced a pad of white paper ( as my gray match point) - and later cropped out.

One thing I like here is the accuracy of the skin on her fingers and such. Also, the white of the straw.

If I no white tone is in the image, I am keeping a pure white pad of paper (for notes as well) to introduce for matching and cropping from the final version .

I was so concentrating on her, that I did not see the white above her, but it turned out well in any case - for no flash and room lights only.

Norm; That turned out well............tw

[nldunne]

My thanks for the kind words, T W. Thely are appreciated.

My favorlite - though - is the one of her in the dining room looking like a painting.

[loeee]

Norm, I think that photo of Ann in the pink sweater is one of the best I've ever seen of yours. It really does look like a painting.