[roncgizmo]

That is a great point! My head is still thinking film and didn't think the x1.6 would be an issue. one thing I wanted was the grip and lost sight of some of the other benefits the 20D or better would do for me.. my main focus was photo quality other then that I didn't care if it was as basic as a A-1 I guess that's why I was jumping on the 10D so fast but I kind of knew in the back of my mind the xxx series was not the camera I should buy but it was the one that started me on the quest.

Thanks for all the input just don't get frustrated with me IF I come back with a 10D
if the price it really right.